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Subject: Wavy pages, postable or not?
Date Posted: 12/6/2008 9:06 PM ET
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To post or not to post.......

I don't know if this is just a cheaply made book or maybe was read at the beach or in a steamy bathroom.  There are no stains and the pages don't look as if they were ever wet.  It is a wishlisted book, so I'm sure someone would be happy to get it.  Is it postable?

Date Posted: 12/6/2008 9:13 PM ET
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First of all - it really doesn't matter if it's wishlisted or not - the same rules apply to all books.   I have seen a lot of books this year, brand new, that have wavy pages.  They just make them cheaper and cheaper.  If you think that is really the reason the pages are wavy, then yes it was postable.   It doesn't sound as if it were water damanged but you really have to make that determination.  There is NO rule agaist wavy pages, just water damage.  Good luck!

Date Posted: 12/6/2008 9:29 PM ET
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I didn't mean to imply that it would be ok just because it is wishlisted.  I just meant that I hate for a wishlisted book to be knocked out of circulation.  I don't believe the pages were ever wet, as in, had something spilled on them.  However it does look like the book was in a damp environment.  I just wasn't sure if that is considered liquid damage.

Date Posted: 12/7/2008 1:03 PM ET
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I'm going to try to post a pic with examples of both, so be patient with me if I don't get the link in there correctly the 1st time:P  This is a shot of both a water damaged book (the book on the left), and a brand new book (on the right) with a bit of rippling to the pages - and I think it doesn't look as though it was properly bound either.  You can see that it has a tilt when stood on end like that.  And this copy was actually the best looking one in the store:P  The others had more pronounced rippling to the pages, although I don't know about the tilt; I didn't notice that until I stood it up to take this picture.

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The water damged book on the left was a relatively new paperback, in excellent condition before it received the water damage.  The binding was straight & tight and the pages & cover would lay perfectly smooth & flat when it was laying flat on a hard surface.  The new book never did lay perfectly flat.  The covers on every copy the store had in stock were slightly open from the wavy pages, which creates layers of air pockets that fluff the pages and tilt the covers out & slightly open.

And here is a shot of both books propped open a bit:

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It's hard to see the ripples in this shot, but if you notice, the water damaged book's (left) pages are slightly discolorated.  The texture is stiff, and a single page almost feels like a stack of two or three pages.  The new, undamaged book's (right) pages are smooth & supple to the touch, and when you look at them individually, it's hard to see any actual waviness.  They look relatively normal until you close the book or just focus on the wavy sections (this one is wavy in sections - the other copies in the store were uniformly wavy throughout).

 



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Date Posted: 12/7/2008 11:39 PM ET
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I look at this way. If a store sales it brand new in that condition, then it is acceptable. They are getting sold with wavy pages left and right so if someone has a problem with it then they are expecting too much. Water damage and wavy pages that may be caused by humidity go in two different catagories for me. It keeps things simple. I don't have to question anything that way. There is liquid hitting the book in one hand and there is moisture in the air in the other. One is fine the other is not.

Date Posted: 12/7/2008 11:46 PM ET
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Without reading your description of the pic, I looked at and thought I'd have a problem posting the one on the left, its rippling is in only a section of  the book and looks more like water damage, the one on the right looks fine.

Date Posted: 12/8/2008 12:01 PM ET
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I agree Melanie.  The book on the left is clearly damaged and the book on the right is just rather cheaply made, but still technically undamaged.  There are more of them on the shelves now than ever before.  To be fair, this one was a less expensive edition with the discount "sticker" printed directly on the cover,  had a sale price of $4.99, and was part of of batch of rereleased titles by an author who also had a new release on the shelf.  I assume this batch of rereleased titles were printed & distributed because of the new release, but all of the copies of the new release that I looked at were printed on the same low quality paper, had wavy pages as well, and were probably bound the by the same printer using the same method.  I'd have to go back & check on that, but all of this author's books in stock were identical except for the cover images & the discount price on the rereleased titles, so it's a safe bet that this is the case.  The ISBN#s are the same as the older editions as well, so there's really no way you could order one from here or Amazon, etc. and be sure you weren't getting one of them.  I suppose they might present an increased risk of a member thinking they are water damaged and marking them RWAP, but I personally don't see any reason they can't be posted.



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