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Subject: "Wavy pages"
Date Posted: 3/3/2008 8:36 PM ET
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I just got a message that I book I sent was received with a problem.  The recipient was very polite and nice, writing that they received the book with "wavy pages".  They stated that there were indeed no water stains, but since the pages were wavy, they marked it as damaged by sender.  I'm so upset!  The book was in like-new condition when I sent it, and was wrapped in Tyvek with plenty of additional packing tape.

I am not writing this to blast the receiver.  They were very nice and did not ask for their credit back.  I realize that they don't know me personally and don't know that I would never send a damaged book (I've got a box here full of 19 books that I won't post due to questionable condition that's going to the FOL sale).  I'm just really upset that something happened during shipping and it looks like I sent a bum book.  I guess I'm just writing in the hopes that someone (or two...) will tell me that it's OK...

Date Posted: 3/3/2008 9:03 PM ET
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Don't feel bad. It sounds like humidity got to them somehow. I get a lot of my books in the summer at a beach resort bookstore. I love the place. Every once in a while they have the book I want in otherwise perfect condition except for the uniformly, slightly wavy pages. Well, what can you expect in a town AT the beach with the humidity most of the time up at 90%?

I never thought of it much, until I came here and saw other posts that said people would list it as "water damage" just because they are wavy. Your book might have sat in a humid mail truck or environment along it's travels.

Date Posted: 3/3/2008 9:05 PM ET
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Bummer! i'm so sorry that this happened to you! I have several books that have wavy pages, but they're from the way the book was bound. Also, I've had books that waved when they were in a higher-humidity area.

Don't worry about it. But I wish folks would realize that wavy pages is not necessarily water damage. Water damage is very distinct, and usually has stiffened, warped pages. :P

Here, have a margarita to drown your sorrows. :(

Date Posted: 3/3/2008 9:17 PM ET
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Thanks Jan and Jane!  I will definitely take you up on that margarita!!

Date Posted: 3/3/2008 10:18 PM ET
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I noticed that happens to more and more books with or without humidity. I recently bought a book at B&N, drove home and left it in the bag until the evening. I took it out, read a few pages and left it next to my bed. The next evening I noticed that the last 10 pages got wavy for whatever reason. *shrug*

I'm still reading it and nothing more has become wavy. I'll try to iron the pages and look at the outcome otherwise PBS members will be speared of the book. *sigh*



Last Edited on: 3/3/08 10:19 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 3/4/2008 12:22 AM ET
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It might have happened because of cold too.  The cold will make the pages wavy.  I had all my books stored on tables in my unheated garage and when the temp dropped down the pages started getting wavy and the books had to be moved. 

Don't let one transaction get ya down.  At least they were nice about it :)

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Date Posted: 3/4/2008 1:38 AM ET
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I have a whole box of wavy paperbacks that I haven't posted for fear of RWP even though they aren't water damaged in any way.  Most of them have only been read once, and other than the wavy pages are like new.  Kinda sux.

Date Posted: 3/4/2008 7:04 AM ET
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Hey Tammy, if any of your wavey paged books are on my wishlist, I'll take them without problems.  I understand the whole humidity/book binding wavy pages thing.  I hate that I can not walk out of B&N in July with a paperback that doesn't have wavy pages.

Kerry

Date Posted: 3/4/2008 8:09 AM ET
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Thanks everyone!!!  I'm in NJ and it has been cold here (it snowed 6 inches the day before I mailed that book), so it could have been related to cold weather too!  I mailed out 6 other book shipments at the same time I mailed this one, and this is the only one that's come back with a problem, so I'm going to chalk it up as a fluke.  Usually I get compliments on the wrapping with Tyvek, but oh well--not this time--I guess you can't win them all, LOL!

And I am also happy to accept books like that with wavy pages, so feel free to post them to my WL.  Or since you're a boxer, if you want to send me a list of the titles we can possibly do a BOB swap including them if you're interested.

Date Posted: 3/4/2008 3:43 PM ET
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The last time I was in a bookstore I noticed that many of the new books have what appear to be wavy pages.  It seems that the newer papers and binding methods for paperbacks is making the problem worse than it ever was in the past.

Date Posted: 3/4/2008 5:25 PM ET
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I think many people don't realize that wavy pages don't always = water damage.  those that do are here in the forums reading these threads and realize that books (and things in general) just aren't made as well as they used to be.

Date Posted: 3/4/2008 5:37 PM ET
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As long as you can tell that it is not water damage, then send those wavy page books to me if they are on my Wish List!  Wavy pages can be read just as well as those without waves.

Date Posted: 3/4/2008 8:09 PM ET
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I don't care if pages are wavy either. If it is on my wishlist, I would take the book. 

Date Posted: 3/4/2008 8:16 PM ET
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i dont care if the pages are wavy. and if they're on my WL i wouldnt even mind if the binding was broken or if there was water damage. as long as i could still read the book. thats the important part

Date Posted: 3/4/2008 8:34 PM ET
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This was indeed a WL book!  It's funny how several posters mentioned that, even though I never did!  The funny part is that I didn't even realize it was wish-listed until after I posted it and it automatically came up under the 48 hour wish list hold.  When I checked, there were 3 people wishing for it.  So I was psyched that I could make somebody's wish come true (LOL), and get a quick credit to boot.  So it was a real downer to find it marked that I sent it in bad condition, when I know I certainly did not!

Thanks to all of you for weighing in on the issue.  You all are great, and have made me feel so much better. 

Wavy pages do not equal water damage!  Maybe we need to ask R&R if they'd consider adding that to the book condition guidelines...(JK-- I'm sure they're busy enough...)

Date Posted: 3/4/2008 11:21 PM ET
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Maybe someone can start a thread in the Book Bazaar for "Wavy Pages book swap", same as there is one for Advance Readers Copies (ARCs.) which are also very readable, (often new) books. This way, those books on  someone's WL who wouldn't mind a wavy page book & be willing to give up a credit for it, can get it, and later pass it on to someone else who also doesn't mind the wavy pages.

BTW, Sheryl, that beach resort bookstore I mentioned earlier, is down at the Jersey shore. :-D

Date Posted: 3/5/2008 7:40 AM ET
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HI Jan,

I'm on the opposite side of the state from the shore--15 minutes from the PA border.  But every Sept. we go as a family for a weekend in Wildwood for the firefighter convention there.  If that bookstore is near Wildwood or Cape May, LMK and I'll check it out the next time I'm down there.

Date Posted: 3/5/2008 9:20 AM ET
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I, too, have noticed that brand new books have wavy pages and it's irksome that you have to agonize over whether you should post it or not because someone will complain about "water damage".  I have no problem with these types of books and have gladly accepted them without a peep.



Last Edited on: 3/5/08 9:21 AM ET - Total times edited: 2
Date Posted: 3/5/2008 9:24 AM ET
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Well, if you know it doesn't have water damage, them post it. If I post a book that I bought new and that I didn't damage, I'd post the darned thing. If a person marked RWAP, my response would very politely be along the lines of: I bought it new, I did not damage it, the wavy pages are from publishing, wavy pages do not always mean water damage.



Last Edited on: 3/5/08 12:42 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 3/5/2008 11:05 AM ET
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I'd love to see something added to book condition guidelines stating:
Uniformly wavy pages that are not stained or hardened are not water damage and are OKAY.

Date Posted: 3/5/2008 12:22 PM ET
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I've noticed more and more books that I buy new and am very careful with-have wavy pages. The pages are wavy in the store from the cheap paper and the way the bind them.  I usually post the book and  pm the person.  I'm not usually a PMer about a books condition. I'll decline a request that asks for a PM and a detailed description.  But this is the one case where I do PM.  I choose the longest mail by day and say give them a deadline to respond before I go ahead and mail the book.  They've all been accepted because they were warned before hand. 

Date Posted: 3/5/2008 2:24 PM ET
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The thing with this book, though, was that it wasn't like that when I packed it, it happened while it was in transit.  And I use Tyvek, wrapped securely around the book with seams double-sealed with packing tape, so I don't think it was packaged improperly.  Tyvek is chemical resistant, it's used in Homewrap, so I figured it would protect a book very well.  Just not from getting wavy pages I guess...

Date Posted: 3/5/2008 9:37 PM ET
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I received a book with "wavy pages" (and, at first, I thought this post might have been regarding me!) and marked the book RWAP.  I also let the sender know that the book was in excellent condition and I didn't have a problem with the book in the least.  It was quite readable.  I think the book I received with the wavy page condition might have been the result of reading the book in a hot, steamy bathtub or maybe it was left in the bathroom or kitchen when there was a lot of moisture in the air.  I agree with Sherry that the conditions for water damaged books should exclude books with wavy pages.  There's really nothing wrong with them other than they are a little thicker than usual.  I also told the sender who I received my book from that I definitely didn't want her to give me her credit back.  I guess my concern is that  if I hold myself to the strict posting guideline, I feel I can not re-post this book.  I've actually already donated it with some clothes I was giving to a local shelter.  I've received books that I thought were in worse condition (cover all wrinkled, but not torn, pages all smoky smelling and starting to look aged) that were "postable" but less desirable to me than a book with wavy pages.  The guidelines are really good, but maybe need a few more caveats?



Last Edited on: 3/7/08 10:47 AM ET - Total times edited: 2
Date Posted: 3/5/2008 9:46 PM ET
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[name removed] You did the right thing about marking RWAP. It sounds like it should have been RWAP-damaged by USPS, not Damaged by Sender maybe, but you weren't in the wrong to mark what you thought was a damaged book damaged. Now, if you truly feel you marked it incorrectly, you can ask R&R to change the record on the transaction in question, but that is up to you.

Books damaged with water usually have pages that are stiff or stained, and the waving is not usually consistent. We're seeing a lot of newer books where the pages wave, either because of imprecise cutting and binding techniques or paper that cheaper. For whatever reason, more books have warped pages, and this is going to be a continuing problem around here, I think.

Remember, if people don't mark RWAP books RWAP, the problem swappers (those who send out books that don't meet PBS guidelines) will still be around getting credits for books that don't meet guidelines. Most of the people here are great, and it's usually a small thing that could easily be missed. But they still need to be marked RWAP. Sheryl won't have a problem with the one RWAP on her account. It's the repeat offenders who have to watch their backs! ;)



Last Edited on: 3/5/08 10:57 PM ET - Total times edited: 3
Date Posted: 3/6/2008 8:33 PM ET
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Absolutely Jane!  I wish it had been marked Damaged by USPS, not that I sent in in damaged condition.  Oh well, what can you do? After our very polite messages, the receiver appears to have put it behind them, and for that I am thankful.

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