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Subject: ?: Wavy Pages
Date Posted: 6/25/2009 9:03 AM ET
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I am about to finish a book I got through PBS.  It is Wait-listed by another member, so I know as soon as I post it, it will be "wanted."  It came with wavy pages that I really really doubt are from H2O damage ... more like the "wavy page issue" from the newer, cheaper papers I've read about on other threads in this forum.  (I did not RWAP, as I doubted H2O damage.)

Any advice on whether or not I should post it?  how to handle this?

THX, kindly, for any advice!

Subject: Same thing
Date Posted: 6/25/2009 9:31 AM ET
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Same questiom. I recieved a book several days ago and the pages are wavy or fluffy. I don't believe it's water damage. I call it humidity damage. It is perfectly readable and otherwise in good shape. It doesn't bother ME at all. I am only worried when I repost it that the next person will fuss.

Date Posted: 6/25/2009 9:49 AM ET
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As much as we don't like the wavy pages caused by cheap binding/printing, I think they're postable.  If you're certain that there's no texture change to the pages, which would indicate water damage, I'd post it.  I'd expect a PM and be ready to explain page issue and maybe provide a link to a forum thread on the issue.

I wouldn't like receiving your book, but there are other books that I'm not excited about getting either. 

Tina D. (tinad) - ,
Date Posted: 6/25/2009 9:52 AM ET
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I'm glad you brought that subject up - I  have a book I ordered from half.com that has wavy pages (and I'm pretty sure it's not been water damaged, either) and I had no trouble reading it.  It's also one that has a large number of people on the WL waiting for it but I've been reluctant to post it because of the wavy pages. 

It will be interesting to see the responses here - hopefully, it will give me an idea as to whether to post or not.




Date Posted: 6/25/2009 2:03 PM ET
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So, for me, if the book is new and the waviness seems like cheapness (can't find any stains or texture differences), I will post it. I don't think I would PM in advance of sending it.

On an older book or a book made with heavier paper, waviness is more likely to be water damage, so I might think twice about that.

I just received / read / mailed one that had waviness where your fingers would hold the book to read it. (new book, made with very thin paper). No stains, no texture changes, just a very slight waviness on every page where you would hold the book. (like the paper is absorbing the moisture from your fingers as you read). I didn't RWAP it, and I felt fine posting it.

Maybe PBS will clarify the rules ... but then probably everyone sending out water damaged books will claim "The paper's cheap"...

Overall, though, I am not particularly scared of getting a RWAP, so I would take the chance on books like these. I look my books over carefully and do my best to comply with the rules, so, I am pretty sure that all the books I send out are postable. The consensus in the forums seems to be that books are being made with cheaper paper and that there are lots of brand new books out there with waviness of the pages. I've seen them myself in the bookstores. So, I feel fine posting them, and dealing with the requestor if they perceive an issue.

The question really is: what constitutes WATER DAMAGE?. Here are some things that I do NOT think are water damage:

1. reading a book with hands of an avarage moisture level that causes waviness.
2. living in a humid area of the country that causes waviness.
3. buying a new book made of cheaper paper that has waviness.

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Date Posted: 6/25/2009 2:50 PM ET
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The reason I think it is humidity is that we are undergoing an extreme heatwave in Missouri ( The state of MISERY as we sometimes say). The temperature has been 95-99 degrees every day for a week and they say for another week. the humidity has been about 70% all that time. The other day I opened a brand new 3-book BOXED set. I took off the cellophane, pulled out a book and it practically puffed open. The front and rear covers were about 60 degrees from each other. After I read all three, I could barely get them back in the box. And they're brand new. That brings up another question: How do I post them TOGETHER? But that's for another topic.

Date Posted: 6/25/2009 6:57 PM ET
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I have an old dictionary that I use now to crush those new books.  Was using it for the curls that books get in humidity.  Now a bunch of new books are under it.


Date Posted: 6/25/2009 8:52 PM ET
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This is an excellent question, and I had issues with "wavy pages" (or in my case, it was "wavy spots from fingers but the texture of the book was normal") and I was too afraid to post the books. I don't know if I should still be, or if I dare post them. How anal-retentive are people around here, anyway? LOL
Date Posted: 6/25/2009 11:04 PM ET
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Some are EZ-going, some are not.  You get the luck of the draw, when sending a book, unless you buddy-up with someone whose reading interests and attitude toward book post-ability matches yours and you can trade directly.

Ahhh ... but it takes all kinds 2 make the world go 'round!

Date Posted: 6/26/2009 3:06 AM ET
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IIRC the PBS guideline refers to no water damage of any kind.  Wavy pages are not necessarily caused by water damage, and waves by themselves should not render a book unpostable.

Thomas, is there an ISBN for the set?  Thought I had seen some posted that way.  Otherwise, here are a couple options that have worked for other members.  1) post the first book FIFO, and when it's accepted you can pm the requestor to see if they want the entire set, or 2) go to the appropriate genre thread in discussin forums and post there - as a complete set to one requestor.  You can get a credit for each book tho.

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Date Posted: 6/26/2009 9:50 AM ET
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I have the same question as Scuzzycat.  I have have rec'd books like this from PBS, but I am afraid to send them.  There are wavy spots from fingers, but they are only on a few pages through the book.  The pages themselves are fine.  I can't see how it is water damage, but just the same I am parnoid to send them out.  I never even noticed this stuff (unless the book had a smell and book looked water logged) until I joined the site

Sianeka - ,
Date Posted: 6/29/2009 12:28 PM ET
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Thomas, do NOT post your set using the set's ISBN if you want more than one credit for it - you would be obligated to send the entire set for one credit.   Either you would need to post the books separately on your bookshelf and risk having to break up the set, or post to the Book Bazaar or genre-specific forum that you have the set and are willing to send the first person who requests the set  who sends three credits for the three books.  (You can "price" the set at any price you want as long as you do not ask for more than one credit per total number of books.)

As to wavy pages, a book with this condition when caused by humidity, is generally considered postable here.


Date Posted: 6/29/2009 2:10 PM ET
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For those wishing to flatten their wavy books, try wrapping a couple of bricks with foil and putting them on the book(s).  It might take more than 2!  LOL!  ;D