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Subject: Is there any way to bypass RC's and people who really don't want
Date Posted: 4/10/2015 7:44 PM ET
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So tired of listed wish listed books with RCs and maybe yes/maybe no . First you wait 48 hours to find out if the person has the credit and actually wants the book. Then you find out there are RC's. Any way to bypass this nonsense. I will never send to a RC. Don't even bother to read it. Just a waste of my time. Any way to send a wish listed book to a person who wants it without additional conditions and has the credits to get it?

Mary Anne

Date Posted: 4/10/2015 8:39 PM ET
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No.This nonsense as you call it is the way the site works. So just say no and carry on......let the transaction go to the next member.



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Date Posted: 4/10/2015 8:46 PM ET
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Unfortunately, RCs tend to cluster at the front of the WL lines as they get turned down until you get to a member who has an acceptable one or who doesn't have one at all. You can try to post to a friend but there may still be RCs. And WL multiples in the Book Bazaar forum is an option, if you have more than one book. Some members post that way exclusively, saving up their WL books until they have a small selection to offer. This works best if the books are of a similar nature, as to appeal to someone with likeminded tastes.

Date Posted: 4/10/2015 9:10 PM ET
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I would love to see a feature be which people could create RCs with check boxes of the most commonly used RCs (such as "no cigarette smell," "no books from homes with pets," "hard covers must have dust jackets," etc.) with an additional "other" box in which the person could create an RC for something not listed.  Then there would be a separate, but same list where people could check boxes of what they AREN'T willing to send to, on the sending in.  Even maintaining the FIFO policy, the system could then automatically bypass all the "no cigarette smell" RCs if the sender has checked the box that says they won't send to requesters with that RC. 

Did I explain that enough to make sense?

It would take a little bit of initial setup on the members' part, but it sure would save a lot of time and frustration. 

Date Posted: 4/10/2015 11:08 PM ET
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What they said  yes

Unless site rules have changed, you can post your book in the Bazaar...request no RC and any other conditions you with (such as want to mail within 24 hours, etc). 

I used to see these fairly frequently.  Offering wishlisted book XYZ, have it auto request on your wishlist, no RC. 

You may then wish to review guidelines for posting direct to a wishlist so it doesn't accidentally go FIFO.

Date Posted: 4/10/2015 11:50 PM ET
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I don't understand why RCs are automatically declined. If the RC is straight forward, easy to understand and my book meets the RC- I'll send the book. I've not had a problem.

The only RCs that I automatically decline are those involving smoking or pets. Because I smoke and have had pets for years (currently pet free but that might change at some point).

I've declined very few because they've been too subjective or wishy-washy, asked me to PM them before accepting the transaction (I can't) or just seemed way over the top picky which could result in a RWAP.

The transactions that I have declined (other than smoking or pets) seemed extreme to me. I'm not going to ensure that my book won't offend your values. I haven't read most of the books on my shelf and have no idea if they'll offend your political, religious or life-style values. If you want my book, it's on you to research the content before requesting it.

Apologies - slight vent. :)

Date Posted: 4/10/2015 11:58 PM ET
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Unless site rules have changed, you can post your book in the Bazaar...request no RC and any other conditions you with (such as want to mail within 24 hours, etc). 

I used to see these fairly frequently.  Offering wishlisted book XYZ, have it auto request on your wishlist, no RC. 

Unless the site's rules have changed, you cannot post WL books in the Bazaar. Never have been able to. The ONLY exception to that is the WL Multiples thread. Any member offering postable WL books outside of that thread will be asked to be remove their thread.

 

Since you don't read the RCs, it takes you but a few seconds to decline them. Shouldn't be that much of a bother.

Date Posted: 4/11/2015 12:11 AM ET
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Toni B. (Twintoni): No.This nonsense as you call it is the way the site works. So just say no and carry on......let the transaction go to the next member.

Ditto, but how in the world does one decide when a request is from "people who don't really want" it? It's on their WL isn't it?

-edited for grammatical typos-



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Date Posted: 4/11/2015 1:52 AM ET
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I accept all RCs as long as my books meet them and have never once had a problem with someone with an RC.
People who assume that those with RCs are just picky people ready to cause trouble are doing themselves a disservice.

 

Date Posted: 4/11/2015 1:51 PM ET
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I don't have a problem with RCs, and don't decline most orders because of them.  About the only ones I do decline are ones that aren't specific on 'smoke'.  Some say 'current smoking home' and others just say a 'smoking home' (and I know that homes don't smoke, but it's hard to make that phrase work and make sense).

As I get my books from everywhere (FOL, Goodwill, etc.) I don't know the history of every book, but can go 'current home' as we don't smoke, but 'smoking home' I have to decline as there might be smoke residue from some other reader of the book. Pat

Date Posted: 4/11/2015 6:31 PM ET
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I appreciate that many member have no issue with RC, or non auto request wish lists. But I do not think it would be at all difficult to have a field to indicate No RC and auto request only. Some books I buy new, some I gratefully receive from other member without inquiry as to their history. I find RCs just a problem waiting to happen because how can anyone reasonable be expected to know about the history of a used book. Most are totally pristine. I have 500 plus transactions, I can think of only one book in poor shape, but it was readable, I read it and was happy to get it.Just my view.

By the time I get a member who wants the book it is often days later and I have long gone to the post office, so I just cancel.

When I list a wish listed book, I expect to ship the following morning,

Mary Anne
 

Date Posted: 4/11/2015 6:56 PM ET
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Date Posted: 4/11/2015 7:51 PM ET
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Ditto, but how in the world does one decide when a request is from "people who don't really want" it? It's on their WL isn't it?

The RC will appear when you get the request.......if it is on their wishlist it will show any RC for that request.

Just click CANNOT SEND and let it go to the next member.

Members with a wishlist are allowed to have an RC for their requests.



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Date Posted: 4/12/2015 12:56 AM ET
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Date Posted: 4/12/2015 3:34 AM ET
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In my opinion, not even reading an RC and automatically rejecting all RC is ridiculous.

My RC, for example, is simply a reminder to not send books not meeting the PBS "Golden Book Rule" that all members agree to when posting. And furthermore, I actually soften the Golden Rule "no writing or highlighting" to say that I will accept books with writing in pencil that can be erased. If a book that has been used as a classroom text is written in or highlighted, however, I do ask to please send a PM to describe book condition because even though these are postable under PBS rules I may or may not want it.

The PBS Golden Book Rule agreed to when posting books is :
I promise to follow the Golden Book Rule: My books have front and back covers, all pages, no liquid damage, no writing or highlighting, are not Advanced Reader Copies (ARCs), and my books are in generally good condition.



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Date Posted: 4/12/2015 3:45 AM ET
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"When I list a wish listed book, I expect to ship the following morning"

Pardon me, but this expectation is certainly as "unreasonable" as having an RC.

Date Posted: 4/12/2015 3:57 AM ET
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I have never had a problem with RC's.  If they seem too picky - no bent pages, overused, etc. - then I will decline, because how would you define overused?  But if it is straightforward, such as "no books that are currently in a home with smokers," that's acceptable, because I don't smoke.  They did not say 'potentially past smokers' it reads 'currently smokers' and one should be able to tell the difference.  I would think people would know you might not know the book's history, and if you don't now smoke, this shouldn't be a problem.

Someone should not have to write 'no books that are in a currently smoking home, but if it is a book you picked up at a yard sale and don't know it's history, then that's okay, or if you think someone might have smoked who owned this book don't send it.'  That's to the point of ridiculous to even expect anyone to know that.  If you smoke, don't send it; if you don't, it's probably fine.  I send them.

 

Date Posted: 4/12/2015 4:20 AM ET
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Toni B. (Twintoni): The RC will appear when you get the request.......if it is on their wishlist it will show any RC for that request.

Just click CANNOT SEND and let it go to the next member.

Members with a wishlist are allowed to have an RC for their requests.

Good point ^.~ I should have phrased that better; what I meant was that I was surprised by the belief that the sender should get to decide if the person requesting a book wants it.

Incidentally, did anyone else get a PM about this topic from the OP?

There are lots of reasons someone might need to use RCs and/or 48-hour hold. Especially in conjunction since, as the FAQ says, "the specifications you write will appear verbatim on every request you submit" and they suggest to "apply your RCs appropriately (= turn RCs that apply only to Hardcovers OFF if you are requesting a Paperback)", so putting those on auto accept could incorrectly apply RCs to some titles.

RCs - some swappers could have allergies (smoke, perfume, pets, etc.), maybe they want a nice condition copy of the book  to keep on their shelf (maybe complete a set) or give as a present (since "good" condition books can be on their last leg), or avoid getting cover protectors/stickers that would damage the book if removed. Also, dust covers aren't required for hardcover books to be posted but are very nice to have on a book you're giving to someone or that is going to stay on your shelf. Not me, but someone requesting an audio book might know that they only have access to a CD and/or DVD player that has trouble with a certain amount of scratching, they might need to specify that lots of small scratches are okay but that a deep scratch would prevent them from listening to it (or the other way around). It doesn't matter if I agree with an RC, it's not up to the sender to decide if a requester "really" wants something, it's up to the sender to say (preferably truthfully) if a book does or does not meet the RC.

48-hour hold - some swappers may be requesting a book to be sent to someone else (they'd need to use the 48-hour hold to input the alternate address), switch out an RC so that they don't have to make everyone posting a book read every condition if there differ, or a high (or low) volume trader might not have enough credits on hand if they got several items posted around the same time.

Rather than not wanting a book, a swapper might want book SO much that they give in and buy it on their way home from work only to see that it's been posted in the meantime or borrow it from someone without having immediate access to updating their WL. Even if a swapper stays on top of their account and keeps a good number of credits on-hand, if they got a couple of books (or boxsets if they use SaDVD too) posted at once then they might have to scramble for credits (even buying them) even if they really, REALLY want a book that happened to get posted right after. That would be true with or without RCs and it sounds mean-spirited, to me, to think that they don't want or deserve a book because they didn't have the credit immediately.

If that kind of sudden credit shortage happened to me (it has) I would post things immediately, probably even focus on auto-requests first to get a few credits banked, but I wouldn't decline to send a book that I offered just because someone wants or needs the book in a certain condition or needed time themselves to complete the request.

When it's a concern of needing to mail everything at the same time (completely understandable, not everyone can get to the PO everyday and may not be able to mail from home for a variety of reasons as well), the sender can opt for the "I can send within ___ days" and mail them on their next mailing day. I don't think that someone who can't mail every day should be prevented from offering a book any more than a requester that needs to use the 48-hour hold should be prevented from requesting. Declining because a book doesn't meet an RC (or you're really not sure) is one thing, but declining just because a requester is using the feature at all is just a sender wanting to punish other swappers for not using the site in exactly the same way that they do when it's within the site rules to use both of those features.



Last Edited on: 4/12/15 4:21 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 4/12/2015 11:41 AM ET
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I have been reading this thread and trying to understand Mary's perspective.  New releases in like new condition that you just want to send quickly, got it!

You can look at Friends wl and see if they want the book.  You can let them know in advance that the books are like new and you don't want to be bothered with RC's.  If you start communicating with members now in advance and let them know your terms.  

 

The Help Center gives a long dissertion on what's postable but no mention about books that smell like smoke.  

I have to have a No Smokey Books RC because I have no other choice.

If a book has even just one underlining or writing in it it's Unpostable but the book can stink and be postable.  I can only say to that Ay Carumba!

People here have given good advice and I hope you will re-think your stance on rejecting RC's. 

 

 

Date Posted: 4/12/2015 12:00 PM ET
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I think I say this in every thread in which someone says they want their beautiful books to go to people who will properly appreciate them. People with RCs are basically announcing that they will be thrilled to receive a book in great condition. People without RCs are announcing a de facto agreement to accept books that simply meet postability guidelines.

When I list a wish listed book, I expect to ship the following morning,

And, as others have stated, this is absurd. The site grants people 48 hours to accept. That's really not unreasonable. When you accepted the PBS TOS you agreed to mail the books you post according to site rules. Canceling orders because you do not like the site rules puts you, not the person who requested the book, in the wrong.

Date Posted: 4/12/2015 1:26 PM ET
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When I list a wish listed book, I expect to ship the following morning

While I can see how that'd be nice from a perspective of planning your day and getting things out quickly, it's just not a reasonable expectation. I've learned to list wishlisted books 2-3 days before I plan to go to the post office, because I know that most PBS members don't have books on auto-request and often take the full 2 days to accept, or the first person might not respond and the request will roll over. That's what I did with my most recent listed book - I posted it on Wednesday and the first person on the wishlist didn't respond, so it rolled over late Friday and the second person accepted. I'll go to the PO sometime Monday.

I personally keep all of my wishlisted books on auto-request, but I know that most people don't, and that's just the way that the site works. All of us would like to get and give books as speedily as possible, but people have lives and other priorities, and if PBS says that people have 48 hours to accept a book, the ability to put RCs if they want to, and senders to take 5 days (I think?) to mail a book, then that's what the site rules are, and there's no point in complaining about them.

Date Posted: 4/12/2015 2:19 PM ET
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My schedule for going to the PO is Monday and Thursday (I know some people can't schedule like this though), so if I get a book request on Monday morning and don't have time to process it before I go to the PO, it goes out on Thursday and the same for Thursday - they go out on Monday.  I do take the longest time available to say I'll mail it though. That way if something happens like snow, etc., I have some leeway.

Actually, you have 5 days to accept, then 5 days to mail and an additional two days after that, so in essence one has 12 days from the day a book is accepted to actually mail it.

Date Posted: 4/12/2015 4:59 PM ET
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Thank you Linda R. (lionrose) I will embrace your suggestion and reduce my frustration.

Mary Anne

Date Posted: 4/12/2015 7:22 PM ET
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Date Posted: 4/12/2015 8:11 PM ET
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She asked if there was a way to bypass RCs....  Linda gave her an option.  She already said that she'd never send to RCs, didn't ask for people's opinions of, or practices with, them.  No harm, no foul.

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