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Subject: any way to get rid of the fake ISBN books?
Date Posted: 10/28/2008 1:20 AM ET
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Those book entries that use a made-up ISBN, for one time use, any way to get rid of them after they've served their purpose? They offend my sense of order. ;-)

Date Posted: 10/28/2008 2:09 AM ET
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Could you explain what you are talking about please?

 

I am sure someone else will likely understand exactly what you mean. But I haven't a clue, I would like to though. What would the purpose of putting a book in here with a fake ISBN be?

Date Posted: 10/28/2008 2:45 AM ET
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When people can't find the edition of their book listed, there's a way to make a new listing that creates a fake ISBN.  There are tons and tons of these around, many created by mistake by people who didn't understand how to search, and I just find them terribly untidy and in the way. ;-)

Date Posted: 10/28/2008 7:32 AM ET
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I don't think there is Willa. 

Sandra (dru) -
Date Posted: 10/28/2008 7:47 AM ET
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This explains a little about it...

Non-ISBN items are items Posted by a member onto his or her bookshelf using a customized (not pre-existing) listing.  This is necessary when:

  • The book being posted has no ISBN
  • The book does have an ISBN, but the PBS database is using that ISBN for another version (binding type or Large Print)  of the book
  • The book does have an ISBN, but the PBS database is using that ISBN for a completely different book (this is rare, but it does happen that publishers reuse ISBNs) 
  • The book does have an ISBN, but the PBS database does not include a listing for it

They are not all one time use ISBNs, they are for just that particular copy of the book and so can be used again.



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Date Posted: 10/28/2008 8:03 AM ET
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My understanding of those is that once the book has been ordered, they disappear from the search/site is that right? And if another copy of the book without an ISBN or wrong ISBN would be entered that way, a different 'fake' ISBN would be generated. (At least, that's how it used to work.) So it's really no good wishlisting the books with those 'short' ISBNs because they'd most likely never come up again. But having those books in the system is certainly useful--I periodically check my WL for other copies in the system by clicking on the author's name, and when I have found alternate versions of a book available, it's most often those with the short, PBS-generated ISBN.

Cheryl

Date Posted: 10/28/2008 9:59 AM ET
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No Cheryl, they show up in all the searches, but the numbers don't work in the post a book or add th TBR process. The only way they'd come back into the system is if the book the number was originally set up for wa reposted from someone existing list.

I like them there, it tells me the book has been posted before when I am putting in a non-ISBN book.

Matt C. (mattc) - ,
Date Posted: 10/28/2008 12:53 PM ET
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The thing is there is nothing to keep you from posting a title into those left-over slots.  At first I thought they were only meant to be for that edition of the book, not that particular book, and wishlisted quite a few of them.  Perhaps I shouldn't admit it, but I also received quite a few wish list offers from these defunct listings.  The fact is, you can tell by publisher, date, and page numbers which edition it is, and if PBS doesn't want them to be reused they will have to be scrubbed.

Date Posted: 10/28/2008 1:48 PM ET
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I'm with you Matt...if the book has already been set up and it matches the details in the system, why not reuse them?  save yourself some work!

now if you have a paperback and it is listed as a hardback, then sure you need to set up a new fake ISBN but those are probably rare

Plus, if you get a book using the fake ISBN and then want to relist it, if you scrub that info then it becomes a problem because it is sitting on your bookshelf or TBR pile or whatever



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Date Posted: 10/28/2008 1:57 PM ET
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The thing is there is nothing to keep you from posting a title into those left-over slots - except for the rules:

"Short ISBNs"

  • cannot be reused to post another copy of that book (the Post Books field will accept only 10 or 13 digit ISBNs)

Plus, if you get a book using the fake ISBN and then want to relist it, if you scrub that info then it becomes a problem because it is sitting on your bookshelf or TBR pile or whatever - The rules say the short ISBN  isn't supposed to be used  "unless you have that exact copy that was posted using that listing by the original poster" So in that case you are supposed to reuse the it.



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Date Posted: 10/28/2008 2:32 PM ET
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I would think it's very difficult to know if you have the *exact* copy, especially since people don't always bother to fill in much information. Which is probably why I see dozens of these for the same title.

Date Posted: 10/28/2008 4:01 PM ET
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You know you have the exact copy if it is on your "TBR" list or on your Bookshelf on "hold."

Date Posted: 10/28/2008 9:08 PM ET
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And by reposting a book received with a "made-up" ISBN, the footprint thing will still track that book.

Matt C. (mattc) - ,
Date Posted: 10/28/2008 9:33 PM ET
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Even so, as a requestor you have no way of knowing whether a book with one of those non-ISBN's has been 'properly' listed.  I'd rather see a system that allows a listing for a particular edition to stand and be reused. 

Date Posted: 10/28/2008 9:58 PM ET
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But, Matt if publishers re-use ISBN's and the system wasn't set up to allow posting without an ISBN then there would be alot of books not posted...as the requestor you have an option to just not order one of those books without an ISBN.

Matt C. (mattc) - ,
Date Posted: 10/28/2008 11:33 PM ET
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Christy, I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.  I have ordered numerous books from this site which were listed without ISBN's.  I think that any listing created by a PBS member should be allowed to stand for that edition, and that if I want to post a book, and all the information matches, I should be able to use an existing listing rather than creating a new one.  Granted it's not a swapping site, but that is how the extended database on Shelfari works.  If a member creates a royally screwed up listing, I have the option not to order if it comes up on my search, same as I do now (And I have seen some reeeally bad ones...for example James B. Johnson the science fiction writer is not the same person as James Weldon Johnson).