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Subject: What would you call this binding?
Date Posted: 2/11/2012 10:32 PM ET
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I have a copy of The Color Purple. Judging by the size of the pages and ISBN, it was obviously once a mass-market paperback.

It has been rebound into a little hard cover, for what was probably a school library. It's a very nice, sturdy, professional job. The entire cover was removed, and the cover image cut out and pasted to the front.

 BOOK   SPINE  INSIDE

Now, I obviously couldn't post it under its original ISBN, since it's no longer a paperback. So, I created a unique number for it and posted it with a binding description as "other" since I wasn't sure if this is considered a hard cover, library binding, or turtleback. Actually, "hard cover" is the only other option available.

Can anyone tell me what the official terminology for this book would be?

Date Posted: 2/11/2012 10:39 PM ET
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I can't remember what the term is, but I used to order those books for my classroom.  Some company makes them because they hold up better in schools than paperbacks.  Sorry I can't help.  The name escapes me...

Date Posted: 2/11/2012 10:41 PM ET
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I'm not surprised. This book looks like it'll last forever. It's as solid as a brick. I actually really like the look of the binding. I might keep her.

Date Posted: 2/11/2012 10:49 PM ET
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Would you call this a turtleback?
Date Posted: 2/12/2012 12:28 AM ET
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Perma-Bound is the biggest company that does this, and the books are converted paperbacks.  Most still have the paperback ISBN numbers, though. 



Last Edited on: 2/12/12 12:28 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 2/12/2012 1:52 AM ET
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Sounds like a Turtleback.  Several companies now perform this rebinding, including Perma-bound, Sagebrush, and Turtleback (the original from which the process is named) which seems to be affiliated with Demco.

IIRC the newer editions have a unique ISBN on the back of the book, but older editions did not...which makes their paperback ISBN invalid for PBS use.

Date Posted: 2/12/2012 6:02 PM ET
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I would say this could be posted as a Hardcover, Turtleback, or Library Binding on PBS. Since it is no longer a Paperback anymore, that listing is no longer valid.

Date Posted: 2/12/2012 9:54 PM ET
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Well, I probably would have gone hardcover on it, since it now has a hardcover, even if the hardcover was added after the book was manufactured.

By picking "other" you are making people wonder what it could be, and (in my opinion) they might hesititate to order it not knowing what the binding is.

I know I would have second (and third) thoughts on ordering a "other" binding from someone.

Date Posted: 2/13/2012 12:33 AM ET
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I agree, after the re-binding process I would consider the book a hardcover (or Turtleback).

Date Posted: 2/13/2012 3:59 AM ET
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Oh yeah, I'd consider it a hard cover too. It's just other people's possible interpretation of what it is that worries me. This book was obviously not originally a HC, so there could be arguments, accusations, RWAPs, and demands for a returned credit to deal with. I don't need all that crap over a little book. That's why I posted it as "other" and was hoping that I could nail down an official name for this re-binding job.

Ah well. There's roughly 6 million copies of this book in various shapes and sizes already posted in the system so it's not like mine, with its short little ISBN, is about to be snatched up real soon anyway.

Thanks for all the info.

Date Posted: 2/13/2012 12:07 PM ET
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I could see someone RWAP if she puts it as a hardback.. I'd make sure one of the tags says turtleback of it possible in the titel XXXX_ turtleback.

Date Posted: 2/13/2012 2:17 PM ET
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I could see someone RWAP if she puts it as a hardback.

If they did, there would be no requirement to return the credit and the marking would really be in error. The book is clearly a hardbound book now. What it was in the past is no longer relevent.  All bound books fall into hardcover or paperback categories. What you have is NOT a paperback, it cannot be bend at all. It is a hardcover.

Just because someone might mark a book RWAP in error, doesn't mean that listing a book in that manner would be wrong. The Team wouldn't care about a RWAP if they can see the sitation and understand that the RWAP was not warranted (there is a post of their opinion on this matter and it was that a rebound paperback into a hardcover was now a hardcover).

Date Posted: 2/13/2012 3:16 PM ET
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It'd call it a turtleback or library binding.  It's been rebound for whatever reason to make it more durable. 

It's definitely a hardback now and not a paperback.  Since things state that the binding types must match, you cannot post it under its paperback ISBN and it must be posted as a short-isbn.

Date Posted: 2/13/2012 5:15 PM ET
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Melanie I was not saying it wasn't a hardback, just saying others might not see it that way and if she does it as an without ISBN (since that would not match) having it listed as a turtleback in the title would clear things up easily.

Date Posted: 2/13/2012 5:44 PM ET
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Thanks for the suggestion. It didn't occur to me to add it into the title. The only binding options in the description are PB, HC, and other. I'll see about editing it.

Date Posted: 2/14/2012 8:15 PM ET
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You can add that statement to the description field, but not to the title field.  In fact, you can put a one-liner  Library binding  right at the top of the description where it will show immediately to anyone looking at the listing or scrolling over in a search.

You'd be safest to refer to it that way.  Since Turtleback is, I believe, copyrighted, I wouldn't use that wording. Many libraries used to do this themselves and probably some still do. 

eta: In the Reason for edit box, note that library binding isn't an available choice. You are also welcome to add that I advised you to do it that way - :^]  

 



Last Edited on: 2/14/12 8:28 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 2/14/2012 8:38 PM ET
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Thanks Anna. I just submitted the edit request.