Discussion Forums - Questions about PaperBackSwap Questions about PaperBackSwap

Topic: What would you do??? Just Curious....

Club rule - Please, if you cannot be courteous and respectful, do not post in this forum.
  Unlock Forum posting with Annual Membership.
Subject: What would you do??? Just Curious....
Date Posted: 1/11/2010 5:50 PM ET
Member Since: 3/6/2009
Posts: 127
Back To Top

Should I be concerned about this book or not? Am I being too picky?

I received a book today, it's a car repair text book (Chilton). I can tell it has been used due to the grease marks and dirty pages through out the book. It's not terrible, I can read it and all, I just know that I wouldn't have ever posted a book like this. I know cook books can be posted even if it is dirty due to cooking. Is this the same type of situation??

I haven't marked it received yet, just was wondering if I should let it go or post it "received but with a problem"? What would you guys do?

I would love the feedback as to what you would do in this type of situation. Thanks so much.

Date Posted: 1/11/2010 6:01 PM ET
Member Since: 8/18/2005
Posts: 7,977
Back To Top

For a car repair textbook, I'd figure it would be like cookbooks. You sort of expect that some of them will have been used, and might show it.

But, if It were me, I'd probably mark it RWAP because it's not listed under the exceptions for the site so it's not technically okay to send. The sender should think twice about sending another one without checking with at least a PM even if they consider it a textbook of sorts.

But I wouldn't ask for my credit back if I needed to use it for my own car repairs. I doubt any car repair book I used, new or not, would be postable after I got done with it! Lol.

They really should have PM'd you first, and asked about the dirty condition. It wouldn't hurt to let them know it.

Date Posted: 1/11/2010 6:03 PM ET
Member Since: 7/19/2008
Posts: 15,476
Back To Top

You could mark it RWAP and then ask (or not ask) for your credit.  Cookbooks can be sent stained, but you have to receive an okay by PM before sending them.  I would mentally put car books into the same category.  But if you did not get a warning about it, then it counts as a RWAP.

I will not hesitate to mark books RWAP.  It's what happens with postal damage after all.  But I do hesitate before wording that PM asking for my credit.  And I really hesitate before marking it unresolved. 

Date Posted: 1/11/2010 6:12 PM ET
Member Since: 5/18/2007
Posts: 13,205
Back To Top

Having two sons who are mechanics with tons of car repair books  -- I know what they look like when in use. I would not mark it RWAP. It would be impossible to repair a vehicle and keep washing hands before turning a page. There is bound to be grease. I would think it would be like cookbooks ... they're used, around grease and icky car parts. Just like cookbooks that are around food. 



Last Edited on: 1/11/10 7:49 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 1/11/2010 6:13 PM ET
Member Since: 3/6/2009
Posts: 127
Back To Top

Thanks Cindy, I was kinda thinking the same thing.  Thanks!!!

Date Posted: 1/11/2010 7:32 PM ET
Member Since: 11/14/2005
Posts: 6,421
Back To Top

While auto manuals are not included with cookbooks in the exception rule, they sure ought to be. Who on earth would expect an auto manual to be without grease stains. You've never used one if you do. Check with your husband, he'll tell you that he has no problems with it coming with grease stains and probably will be surprised to ever see a used one without grease, he's just going to be delighted to receive that $30+ possibly hard-to-find manual.

I really can't believe that PBS doesn't have an exception for them. I would much quicker expect to see grease in a Chilton's than in a cookbook. Chilton's are very detailed manuals, and the mechanic needs to refer to it often to complete the job he's working on.

Gavia -
Date Posted: 1/11/2010 7:37 PM ET
Member Since: 12/23/2009
Posts: 198
Back To Top

PBS may not even have thought of auto-mechanic books.   I certainly wouldn't report it RWAP. 

Oh, what's a PM?   I haven't yet got the hang of all the abbreviations.

Date Posted: 1/11/2010 7:47 PM ET
Member Since: 2/21/2009
Posts: 2,925
Back To Top

I sent in a suggestion long ago re: exceptions for woodworking and auto repair books - no matter what, you just can't get the participants in those activities to wear white gloves, and to replace them 50+ times per project! My new ones fly off the shelf, but any that were used, even briefly, always have fingerprint smudges or a pencil mark or two - rendering them unpostable. I wouldn't ask for my credit back though -

Date Posted: 1/11/2010 7:48 PM ET
Member Since: 5/18/2007
Posts: 13,205
Back To Top

PM = personal message. PBS's name for e-mail within the PBS system! 

Date Posted: 1/11/2010 8:10 PM ET
Member Since: 10/26/2008
Posts: 9,884
Back To Top

I wouldn't mark it RWAP.  When you request a used mechanical book, you should expect a certain amount of wear.

But that's me.

Date Posted: 1/11/2010 8:19 PM ET
Member Since: 11/14/2005
Posts: 6,421
Back To Top

Another thought with the Chilton's is besides them being hard to find, used, it's now harder than ever to hope someone will list it with the cost of mailing a book that's probably over 4 lbs. We have several, but no way are they getting on our shelves, not with the higher cost of postage and how much they weigh. I know that doesn't excuse them for not PM'ng you first about the grease, or the true strict rules stating that they truly aren't postable, it just seems to me that you are really lucky to get it :)

Date Posted: 1/11/2010 9:21 PM ET
Member Since: 3/6/2009
Posts: 127
Back To Top

Thanks Sherry.

I guess I was being a little picky and should have expected there to be some grease marks on the book. It didn't occur to me at the time when I ordered it though. Oh Well. Live and learn. I do feel very lucky to have received the book and shouldn't sweat the small stuff. Thanks again.

 

Karen

Date Posted: 1/11/2010 9:30 PM ET
Member Since: 7/29/2008
Posts: 108
Back To Top

I have received two car repair manuals from this site that met PBS posting guidelines. While I might not have marked them as RWAP had they had grease on them, I certainly expected to get them in postable condition. I do not post unpostable books here and I just expect other people to follow the rules too.(I know that is a bit naive of me.) There are other sites out there where unpostable books can be traded.

Date Posted: 1/11/2010 9:39 PM ET
Member Since: 7/19/2008
Posts: 15,476
Back To Top

I'd expect a warning PM.  I'd be fine with the stains, it is a car manual.  But I'd still expect one.

Date Posted: 1/11/2010 10:00 PM ET
Member Since: 8/6/2006
Posts: 1,619
Back To Top

I have 2 repair manuals on my WL and as long as they have all the pages and aren't too badly stained to read I know DH & DS would be thrilled to get them.

Date Posted: 1/12/2010 9:59 AM ET
Member Since: 3/6/2009
Posts: 127
Back To Top

Thanks everyone for all the feedback. I really appreciate it. I didn't mark it RWAP. I marked it received and sent a thank you. I am happy to have received it and should have realized a book like that might or might not have been used while working on a car. So no big deal. I don't plan on reposting it as I plan on keeping this car as long as I can.

 

Thanks again.