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Subject: what do you think?
Date Posted: 6/9/2009 8:36 PM ET
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I just received a copy of MacBeth that has writing in the text , along the sides of the pages and the inside cover has a nasty note ( written to the original owner)  with the S**T word on the back inside cover.  I guess the book would be considered a textbook, but I never received a PM saying that it had writing on it.  I feel bad rejecting a book - haven't had to do that yet.   My daughter is using it for school and will be writing in it too , so I am tempted to just accept the book, but the nasty language has put me over the edge - would you RWAP it?

Date Posted: 6/9/2009 8:38 PM ET
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If the book is a textbook, strictly speaking, writing and underlining is acceptable for posting.  Profanity in the book is another matter altogether.  The sender probably should have given you a heads up about that.

I would probably accept the book and then look around for another.  It's a bummer, but that's probably what I'd do.

Date Posted: 6/9/2009 8:41 PM ET
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I would.  Even if it is a textbook, a book with writing or underlining on text pages can only be sent after the requestor has been informed of the condition and replied to the poster stating that they still wanted it.  Just sending it off is not acceptable.

If the book is a textbook, strictly speaking, writing and underlining is acceptable for posting.

This is not the case.  The condition of the textbook must be agreed to prior to mailing.  From the posting guidelines:

Exception: if it is a textbook or workbook, these are expected to have highlighting/underlining/writing

  • if you post a textbook/workbook, the condition must be described to the requestor in a Personal Message
  • AND the described condition MUST BE AGREED TO in a reply PM before the book is sent


Last Edited on: 6/9/09 8:44 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 6/9/2009 8:48 PM ET
Member Since: 8/16/2007
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Please don't just accept it. Any book with writing requires that the sender PM and get permission to send it first. Please mark this as RWAP and inform this sender of the rules. You don't have to ask for your credit back, but if you just accept it, then this sender will get the idea that it is OK to just send books with writing in them without following the procedures they are supposed to.



Last Edited on: 6/9/09 8:49 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 6/9/2009 8:48 PM ET
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I'd say that was a RWAP - I don't consider that to be a textbook, but regardless - they should have let you know there was writing in it before sending it.  If they didn't, you should ask for your credit back.

Date Posted: 6/9/2009 8:55 PM ET
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Rick B. (bup) - ,
Date Posted: 6/9/2009 9:49 PM ET
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I wouldn't say Macbeth is a text book, either.

Date Posted: 6/9/2009 9:57 PM ET
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I'd very much consider Macbeth a workbook and fall under the textbook/workbook rules. Anyway, what we consider a tb/wb doesn't really matter because TPTB have said that any book can be used in a classroom and considered a textbook/workbook by the sender. It really didn't matter because in any case, the sender has to notify the receiver of the damage so there should be no writing/highlighting suprises.

Date Posted: 6/9/2009 9:59 PM ET
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Just because that type of book is often assigned in English (or Literature) classes doesn't make it a "textbook" - it's fiction. Period.

Textbook writing requires requestor approval before sending.

You deserve your credit back. Please ask for it!

 

Date Posted: 6/9/2009 9:59 PM ET
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I do not consider MacBeth a textbook. It's a play.

In the name of all that is decent, mark it RWAP.

Date Posted: 6/9/2009 10:06 PM ET
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According to TPTB (as Melanie said) it does:  http://www.paperbackswap.com/forum/topic.php?t=166028

Personally, I really think it's a workaround to post the unpostable, but this isn't my sandbox.  I just play in it.

Date Posted: 6/9/2009 10:09 PM ET
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They should still have PMed about underlining and writing.  

Date Posted: 6/9/2009 10:22 PM ET
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Just because that type of book is often assigned in English (or Literature) classes doesn't make it a "textbook" - it's fiction. Period.

But it doesn't have to be a "textbook". The exception is for textbooks and workbooks. Which any work of fiction can easily be, especially classics, since they are often used in classrooms. And, yes, as my previous post said, any book with writing requires approval from the requester before sending.

Date Posted: 6/9/2009 10:25 PM ET
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From the post I linked to above (from TPTB):

If a member considers her book a textbook she can post it with underlining/highlighting/writing on text pages BUT since she has to contact the requestor and receive PM consent to the book's condition, she won't be in the position of sending a "stealth textbook" to someone who doesn't expect to receive one...... And if a member used a novel in a class - a novel being something that most people would NOT consider a textbook - and she posts it, she will NOT be likely to get consent from requestors to highlighting/underlining/writing on text pages, and she will have to cancel the request and repost her book.  The farther the book is from a 'textbook' in common perception, the more likely it will be difficult to get consent to its condition.  The sender will eventually realize that the book is not likely to be acceptable to the club in its condition and will stop trying to offer it as a "textbook".

The PM is key. 

Date Posted: 6/9/2009 10:55 PM ET
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"...and she will have to cancel the request and repost her book.  The farther the book is from a 'textbook' in common perception, the more likely it will be difficult to get consent to its condition.  The sender will eventually realize that the book is not likely to be acceptable to the club in its condition and will stop trying to offer it as a "textbook". "

Along with the PM being the key is the idea that if no PM precedes the delivery of the book in this condition a RWAP is warranted.  That is the "stick" that teaches the lesson of the requirement for the PM or the postability of a book  I agree - please RWAP.  You are the receiver and you are the quality control person for the resutl of the transaction.  For the benefit of all the other members who want to uphold the quality of our used books please report this as a RWAP

Ruth

Date Posted: 6/10/2009 12:13 AM ET
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Yes, RWAP it. They should have PMed you and received a response before they sent it.