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Subject: what's with "No writing" in new Golden Rule when posting books
Date Posted: 8/4/2009 3:56 PM ET
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What is up with the new "NO WRITING" permitted in books ?  

I posted a book that had the previous owners name and phone number inside the cover  which has never been an issue before ..

 

What gives ?



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Date Posted: 8/4/2009 3:59 PM ET
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Lisa,

There is no writing permitted on the text pages.  There are exceptions for textbooks.  If there is writing on the inside cover or fly leaf, the book is still postable.

ETA: Did you have an RC for "NO WRITING"?



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Subject: That's what I thought, but now with the "NO Writing" highlighted
Date Posted: 8/4/2009 4:01 PM ET
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My fear is that I am going to start getting unwarranted complaints due to the wording of the "Golden Rule" statement.  

Many people won't read beyond that statement.

Date Posted: 8/4/2009 4:02 PM ET
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The book you posted is 100% fine, so don't worry about it. If anyone complains, point them to the proper help docs.

Date Posted: 8/4/2009 4:02 PM ET
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Lisa,

Can you post a link to this information?  I can't seem to find it in the HC.

Subject: The "Golden Rule" Thing Comes Up With Each New Posting
Date Posted: 8/4/2009 4:06 PM ET
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I don't know how to link, but the new "Golden Rule" statement comes up as you post a new book.

I often have books signed by the author, as well.    I would prefer that the statement be changed to further explain what is acceptable, even if it only by having the link to go to an extended explanation.

Date Posted: 8/4/2009 4:10 PM ET
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here it is - go to the post a book tab  it is there before you do anything. I think this is a reminder to members - Help Docs I think still say notes - author signatures on the cover  are ok - just not text pages.

I promise to follow the Golden Book Rule: My books have front and back covers, all pages, no liquid damage, no writing or highlighting, are not Advanced Reader Copies (ARCs), and my books are in generally good condition.
Date Posted: 8/4/2009 4:11 PM ET
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Lisa,

I see what you mean.  It is a new dialog box that comes up when you post a book.  Instead of reiterating the postability guidelines, they've change it to:

I promise to follow the Golden Book Rule: My books have front and back covers, all pages, no liquid damage, no writing or highlighting, are not Advanced Reader Copies (ARCs), and my books are in generally good condition.

Remember that if you have a book with writing in it, you can always accept and send a PM to the requestor letting them know. 



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Date Posted: 8/4/2009 4:11 PM ET
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I want to add I don't like generally good condition - subjective - should say meet PBS postaibility standards. 

If you point over the good condition PBS Postability Guidlines drop down.

ON PBS, good conition means:

  • no damage at all from water or other liquid
  • no stains or mold
  • no torn or missing or loose or chewed pages
  • having a front and back cover ("cover" does not = "dust  jacket")
  • no writing or highlighting or underlining on text pages ( a note on the flyleaf is okay)*
  • having an intact binding--not spearated on the inside or outside of book
  • not missing supplementary CDs/autocassettes/VHS tapes if these were included with the original book

Ex library books are welcome!

Hardcovers do NOT have to include their dustjackets

Audio books must be playable, original copies

*See the Help Docs "Book Condition Guidlines" for textbooks/cookbooks exceptions.



Last Edited on: 8/4/09 4:24 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 8/4/2009 4:24 PM ET
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Yeah, and the mention of stains is gone.  I think that the "generally good condition" isn't good enough.  I liked the old one better.  This is too subjective.   I may have to send a complaint.  I know it's hard to reach a good balance on these things, but maybe putting a link to the postability standards would help - or not - who would click on them if they don't even read these "statements"?

Ruth

 

ETA - Thanks, Jubead, for posting that - it makes me feel better - but I don't have much hope that anyone not interested in being a good PBS citizen will even read the statement much less use the hover link.  :(



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Date Posted: 8/4/2009 4:32 PM ET
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Ruth - I agree - I just moved my pointer and it dropped down - I think they should just spell it out to the left of the window plenty of room.  At least it is the step in the right direction - I guess.

Date Posted: 8/4/2009 4:34 PM ET
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There's really nothing you can do about those people Ruth.  This statement is a little more in your face so I think it is an improvement. I agree that no stains should be in main page list and not just mentioned in the hover window.

Lisa - the exception for a flyleaf note is in the info when you hover on good condition. If someone complains, just tell them to read the complete information provided in the Golden Rule. 

Date Posted: 8/4/2009 8:21 PM ET
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The "no stains" rule has never seemed to stop anyone from mailing me a stained book, so I don't know if I'll miss it much. :-\  Perhaps they decided it was too subjective (since yellowing and foxing and remainder marks are okay) or just too hard to follow.  A truly stain free book seems to be a rara avis.

Date Posted: 8/5/2009 9:37 AM ET
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I like this new thing...the wording "I promise...." MIGHT have some effect on people. Maybe. We'll see?

Cheryl

Date Posted: 8/5/2009 12:42 PM ET
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I think it would be helpful if we all sent our thoughts and grievances to TPTB.  Complaining amongst ourselves probably will not effect much change.  The site needs to hear our thoughts.   my2cents

Date Posted: 8/5/2009 12:47 PM ET
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Wow, I'm surprised that autographed copies won't be allowed if the author didn't write on the inside front cover...usually they don't, YK?

Date Posted: 8/5/2009 4:12 PM ET
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I've found that none of the rules prevent some people from mailing books that violate the conditions.   It only helps if the member wants to abide by the rules.  What's important is that everyone KNOW what the rules and conditions are.

Ruth

Date Posted: 8/5/2009 11:18 PM ET
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I'd like to believe that the new wording will help. I know that I have had to mark at least 10 books RWAP in the last month because of writing/highlighting throughout the book. I don't think that changing the wording will stop everyone, but it may draw more attention to the rules.

Date Posted: 8/6/2009 12:50 AM ET
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I foresee major thread openings in this section to come! BAHA!
Date Posted: 8/6/2009 8:04 AM ET
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Yet another reason to keep my RCs restating PBS Postability Guidlines.

Date Posted: 8/6/2009 9:23 AM ET
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I don't see how the new Golden Rule statement is that much different from the box that used to come up before making you confirm that your book was postable. Didn't that one say "no writing," too?

Date Posted: 8/6/2009 9:31 AM ET
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Melanie wrote:  I know that I have had to mark at least 10 books RWAP in the last month because of writing/highlighting throughout the book.

Pardon my French, but merde sainte!....er...holy crap! I haven't had that many RWAPs in 4 years and 1300+ books received! When I read about these types of horror stories with tons of RWAPs happening, I almost feel like I'm in a whole different bookswap club than you all, 'cause I just don't see those types of things.

Cheryl

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Date Posted: 8/6/2009 9:46 AM ET
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I think the main thing it does is change the look of the book posting page a little bit, which gets people who are so used to automatically passing it by to stop and read the words.

 



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Date Posted: 8/6/2009 9:48 AM ET
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I'm with Cheryl. I've been in the club since '06 and haven't as yet had to mark RWAP, though later, when I read the book, I have found a very few that were beginning to cleave, so their journey stopped with me! Not very many, though!  Thank goodness!!   M'ann

Date Posted: 8/6/2009 9:50 AM ET
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I've had to mark, appx, 6 books RWP in the last couple of months for writing/highliting, and these folks either don't believe me (yep, I provided pictures, but they claim the PO opened the package, underlined over 20 pages of text, and sealed it back up), or, they "didn't know", because at a reading site they didn't read the rules, and various other excuses.  Never mind the ARC, the one with the booger and the coffee stained one - all in the last couple of months.  It's outrageous.  Seems I'm not the only one with this influx of problem senders, guess the site is growing, and the problems are too.  I don't know if the new "promise" will help, but it certainly can't hurt.

edited for typo



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