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Subject: What's wrong with Bookcrossings books?
Date Posted: 3/1/2008 4:29 PM ET
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Lately I've had a couple of RCs that stated "No bookcrossings books".  Bookcrossings is sort of fun, IMO.  In the time that I've been here at PBS, I've rec'd a couple of BC books and it was interesting to look them up on BC and see where they'd been.  Most of them just had a notation in the front cover of the book, nothing horrific.

So, why are people so opposed to them?

Date Posted: 3/1/2008 4:42 PM ET
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I would guess it's because of the sticker(s) on them? 

Date Posted: 3/1/2008 4:52 PM ET
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Just a personal preference, which we are allowed.  That's what conditions were made for.   I don't mind them but others seem to.

Date Posted: 3/1/2008 5:27 PM ET
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I think it is more when people go overboard.  I received one with a huge sticker 4x4 smack dab in the middle of the front cover.  Also some have reported writing on the outside margins of the books.  I don't mind a sticker on the inside of the book.  I think some people also feel guilty if they don't plan to journal the book.

Date Posted: 3/1/2008 6:16 PM ET
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it's for those that have gone overboard with the book and the sticker.  most probably wouldn't mind or have the RC if it was a small discreet sticker

Date Posted: 3/1/2008 6:31 PM ET
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Unfortunately, so many people have proudly stated "I don't mind BX books because I can just peel those stickers off" that many bookcrossers more heavily mark their books.  I write the number in pen in the front cover so it can't be peeled off. Still descreet and in the cover, but not removable without damaging/marking the book.  I don't mind folks not journaling, but I don't like the pride of removing the label.

Though, to be honest, what I've mainly done is stopped listing my BX books here.  Every now and then, but very rarely.   Which is somewhat unfortunate, since the books I read get registered at BX.  And the books I read seem to have a higher chance of being a WL book than the random books I list I haven't read.  But it's not worth the hassle to me of putting them here then discovering someone is upset (or removing the number) because they don't like BX books but won't put it in a condition.

So, since I have plenty of books listed, I just don't deal with it.  WL or not, I wild release most of my BX books, and the books I haven't read get listed here. 



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Date Posted: 3/1/2008 7:18 PM ET
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ya know, I never realized how particular some people are about their books....lol. 

I am so incredibly laid back about it.  I am such a book freak - I absolutely love to read and I adore sharing that love of reading with others.  I actually have a hard time marking a book RWP because even if I can't repost it here, I can always pass it along to a friend to read and it was still cheaper than buying it new.

 

I used to release at least one book a month at the airport.  Some of those books have had some very interesting travels! 

I guess I'll still register my books at BX and I'll hope that someone will journal it, but just like me not being able to repost a book, if it doesn't happen, no big shakes, I  got to enjoy it anyway and I got to share it with someone else.

Date Posted: 3/1/2008 8:49 PM ET
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I never thought I would mind a bookcrossing book, but I finally, after about a year of waiting, had a copy of an Octavia Butler hardcover come up on my wishlist. When it got here, it was in excellent condition, EXCEPT the inner front & back cover & are *covered* with bookcrossing stamps and notes and the number written in  about 1" letters in several places.

I just wanted to cry...it seemed like such a crime to damage such a clean, first edition hardcover....

Date Posted: 3/1/2008 9:19 PM ET
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If it's something that I'm not interested in keeping, I couldn't care less.  I love bookcrossing and have participated in the past, though I am not currently logging any books.  If it's something I want for my keeper shelf, however--and sometimes you just don't know until you've read it--I prefer that it not have excessive markings or stickers of any kind therein or thereon. 

I don't have a condition against it, but I too would be dissappointed if I'd been in Karen's situation.

Date Posted: 3/1/2008 10:35 PM ET
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I've only gotten two and they weren't covered in stickers, just one inside the cover. I was fine with that. I'd mind it if the stickers were all over it. It was fun seeing where it had been. Of course I don't think everyone who had the books logged them.

Date Posted: 3/1/2008 10:50 PM ET
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If it's a book that I'm not interested in keeping, I might not care either. But right now, I am looking for particular keeper books and have my RCs listed as such. God, I hope I don't have to add that to my RCs too, that people have the sensibilities to realise I will not be passing on the books.

I never heard of BookCrossings until coming to these swap sites. While the concept is nice, I still would object to receiving a Book Crossing book from a swap site if I wasn't ASKED ahead of time if it was okay to be sent it for these reasons:.

The books are supposed to be "released" freely, for someone to find. If I was at the airport & happened upon the book with the sticker describing what the book is, and it's intention, I'd have a CHOICE whether I'd want to participate or just leave the book for someone else. That choice is taken away from me, when I'm not notified that a BookCrossing book is being sent to me. I hate the manipulation of it and the guilt-tripping it engenders if I don't want to participate in BookCrossings or if  want to keep the book after reading it. I DID pay for the book.

These books, when sent through a swap, are NOT free, as I spent my good $2.31 sending a book with DC to get a credit to receive a book. If these books were included for free with an order, that's one thing, but to be used themselves during a (monied/credit) swap, yes I'd have a problem with that.    



Last Edited on: 3/2/08 12:55 AM ET - Total times edited: 2
Date Posted: 3/2/2008 12:35 AM ET
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I've only received one Book Crossing book so far and I thought it was kind of kewl.  Unfortunately it will be a year or two before we can send it on it's merry way -- but it's neet to get it. 

Date Posted: 3/2/2008 12:41 AM ET
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If you have a problem with it, put it in your RCs.  The founders have stated that BX books are allowed. 

Bookcrossing is a way to track books, however they are sent out.  It is NOT just about wild releasing. Certainly a part of the site, but even on BX there are folks who just arrange trades.

Any BXer who sends out books through other swap sites should not (and none of them I've talked to do) expect you to journal if you receive it.  Don't feel guilty if you don't.  And keep the book if you want. 

Someday, the book will move on.  Maybe the next person will journal. I've had books show up 5 years later (that was fun).  

Date Posted: 3/2/2008 1:39 AM ET
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"I never heard of BookCrossings until coming to these swap sites. While the concept is nice, I still would object to receiving a Book Crossing book from a swap site if I wasn't ASKED ahead of time"

The way this site is set up it's perfectly acceptable to SEND BookCrossing books without notifiying the requestor.  It is up to the REQUESTOR to have conditions if they do not want bookcrossing books.  That is very clear from the site guidelines. 

Date Posted: 3/2/2008 9:19 AM ET
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Sorry, computer glitch



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Date Posted: 3/2/2008 9:20 AM ET
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Bookcrossing books do have to meet other site conditions though.  I only bring this up because on another thread someone mentioned a book that had the words bookcrossing and the id number written in the margins of text pages throughout the book.   Something like that would make it unpostable.  So you might want to flip through the book before posting it if you didn't read it.



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Date Posted: 3/2/2008 2:39 PM ET
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I used to have a no BC books condition because it just seemed against the spirit of the BC enterprise to use them here. However, after having a request for a hard to get book refused because the person didn't understand the condition, I decided I was being overly ethical. :-\

Date Posted: 3/2/2008 6:22 PM ET
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Bookcrossing does not say how or where a book has to be released to be ethical or in the spirit of BC. 

From the BC website:   Leave it on a park bench, at a coffee shop, at a hotel on vacation. Share it with a friend or tuck it onto a bookshelf at the gym -- anywhere it might find a new reader! What happens next is up to fate, and we never know where our books might travel next. Track the book's journey around the world as it is passed on from person to person.

If "share it with a friend" is the same as "tuck it onto a bookshelf at the gym," then surely sending it to somebody you don't know through PBS is the same as leaving it at the grocery store. 

There is no right way to bookcross.  It's just a fun thing, not something that demands ethical considerations.

I do agree that books can be overly marked, and would be peeved getting a book that was marked all over.  One notation inside the front cover is all that is needed.  I agree books with more marking than that shouldn't be traded here, but I will also add there are some books that have been released in the wild with lots of markings, get picked up, and somehow get traded here, so please don't blame the original bookcrosser.  He or she may have had nothing to do with the book being traded here, that's just the way of the universe!

Date Posted: 3/3/2008 9:57 PM ET
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Jan, I feel badly about your post, because I, too, am a BookCrosser, and it's been my understanding, both from a careful reading of the PBS rules and from this topic that BookCrossing books are totally fine.  I would be upset if someone felt as strongly as you do about BC books and got one of mine.  There's definitely NO requirement to participate....of all the books I've sent, all have been registered at BookCrossing, probably less than half have been logged, which is fine - no pressure from me.  However, it IS fun for me to see where they all go.

 

I don't know - I guess I'm just bummed that you seem to feel so strongly about something that the powers that be think is perfectly fine. 

Date Posted: 3/3/2008 10:02 PM ET
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Gee, I hope I get a BC book eventually!  As someone said, it sounds "kewl"!  I may just have to go google "Bookcrossing" and find out more! ;->

Date Posted: 3/5/2008 6:52 PM ET
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I love bookcrossing and have been a member for years.  I do agree however, that excessively marked books are not acceptable. However, there aren't really very many people who actually mark their books in that way. Most of us just use a small label on the inside front cover. I love seeing where books have travelled, and it's fun to track them.

Kayote, do you only use one label on your BX books? If so, I'm sorry to see that you no longer do them here. I stopped for awhile also because there was so much controversy going on about it, but then I decided to go back to doing it. They are legal here, and if someone doesn't want them, they should put it in their conditions. That is what it is there for. And if someone doesn't list it, then they have no reason to complain after getting the book. To those of you who do not want BX books, please make it a condition. We are not mind readers and won't know you don't want them unless you make it a condition. Believe me, I won't think any less of you for having conditions...nor do I "automatically" say no to a book because of it.

Date Posted: 3/7/2008 8:34 AM ET
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I'm a member of the bookcrossing site and I don't trade books I've marked as a bookcrossing. I'm not opposed to receiving them though.