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Subject: When there is no "lasted posted date"...
Date Posted: 2/9/2011 3:01 PM ET
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If a book listing does not show a "last posted date" are we to assume it has never been posted into the system before - ever?   I'm needing to cull my WL and noticing that an awful lot of them don't show a last posted date.   While I'm an eternal optimist, I'm thinking some of these might just be worth giving up on in order to free up space for other, more likely to be posted books.

Just curious if I'm assuming correctly (about no "last posted date" meaning the book has never been posted).  Would/do you assume that?

Date Posted: 2/9/2011 3:07 PM ET
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I think that date has something to do with how a book is marked received. So I don't know how accurate that info is really.

Date Posted: 2/9/2011 3:16 PM ET
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How its marked received doesn't affect those stats Mary, I asked the Team. It only matters that it was posted it into the system by someone.

I don't think that the lack of a last posted means its never been posted,  just that it is rare enough and long enough ago that it doesn't make it into the algorithm. That estimate stuff has only been around for a couple of years.

Date Posted: 2/9/2011 4:00 PM ET
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I don't know what response Melanie got from the Team to what question she asked, but I DO know that the "last posted date" truly doesn't necessarily mean "the date when something was last posted." I don't get this from any answer from the team (I haven't asked), but from my own observations. Case in point: Here is a book that I just put on my wishlist for purposes of investigation. You would think that it was last posted in August, right?

ISBN-13: 9780486243115 - ISBN-10: 0486243117 - Book Type: Paperback
Wish Date: 2/9/2011 - Your position: 1 of 1 - Last Posted: 08/10/2010 - Estimate: N/A

However, here it is in my Transaction archive, from when I mailed it to a requestor: 

ISBN-13: 9780486243115 - ISBN-10: 0486243117 passport.png  

Request Date: 1/24/2011 1:33 PM ET 
Alternate Date: 1/29/2011 12:00 AM ET 
Wrapper Printing(s):

  • 1/24/2011 2:56 PM ET

Date Mailed: 1/24/2011 3:35 PM ET 
Date Received: 1/27/2011 4:13 PM ET

I have seen this same sort of thing lots of times. I don't know exactly what causes it, but there it is.

Incidentally, that was the FIRST book that I checked into from my transaction archive - I didn't go wading through piles of them to find one like that. The second book I checked was the same way - I mailed it in December, it was received in January, but the "last posted date" (same ISBN) is September.

So no, I don't assume that the book has never been posted! Still, a book with a "last posted date" of three weeks ago is bound to be a better bet than something with no date at all, so if you need to cull your list, it's not a bad thing to look at.

ETA: There's an oft-stated theory that this is caused by someone deleting the book from the system - we've given the explanation that books aren't counted if people don't keep them on their TBR, or on their bookshelf on hold, or somewhere in the system. We've said that if someone deletes it from the system, it won't show up as the last book posted. I think that's what Mary was referring to, and what Melanie says she checked with the Team about.

To test this theory, I checked a third book, one that I received myself this week. I had put it on my Bookshelf (on hold), and I had put it on my TBR list. But when I put the book on my wishlist just now, its "last posted date" is June. So this theory fails.

I wonder what's going on? Is there a bug in the system that the Team isn't aware of?



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Date Posted: 2/9/2011 4:19 PM ET
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I have also noticed that it's really not accurate, and I have no idea why they even have the information there because it's rather useless and I think serves only to confuse.

Example: There is a book on my wishlist that I started out at #6 on the list several months ago when I added it. I'm currently at #1. I didn' t notice each time a copy was posted, but I know a few weeks ago when I was checking my WL, it said "wishes granted last week: 1" and then had a last posted date there for a few days. Yesterday, I noticed the last posted date is gone. Why is it removed? I just don't get that! It was less than a month ago that it was posted.

I also did like Elizabeth did and added a few books from my transaction archive to my WL and many of those had no last posted date either.

Cheryl

Date Posted: 2/9/2011 6:16 PM ET
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I'm chiming in with Cheryl to a certain extent.

I do know for a fact that if it has no last posted date doesn't mean that it has never been posted.  I've been watching the books on my WL and have watched one book go from # of copies posted this week directly to a no last posted date.

I'm a newb, so I don't have the experience to back this suggestion up yet, but the thing I would look at on my own WL is the availability of books on sites like Amazon and their pricing if I was going to pair it down (I figure the more expensive/harder to find books are probably not as likely to end up being picked up by a member and then posted).

Date Posted: 2/9/2011 7:55 PM ET
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This is the Feedback from the Team:

Dear Melanie,

"Last Posted" means the last time that ISBN was posted in the club. It is not affected by anything that happens after that - the posting is the thing that is being recorded for that "last posted on" index.

We hope this information is helpful. Have a great day!

 

The only thing I can see Elizabeth is that you are mentioning requested, mailed and received dates, not posted dates. Did you post the book right before it got requested? If you have a book that you know when you posted it and that is later than what the system says, you should send in Feedback. It sounds to me like a simple system process of pulling out the date someone completes the posting process and if that is not being recorded correctly, they'd probably like to know that.

 



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Date Posted: 2/9/2011 7:58 PM ET
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What I do when I want to trim my WL first I see what books my library has and then remove those first.  I removed 22 books from my WL just the other day because my library had multiple copies of all of them. I don't usually put books on my WL that I know will go from WL to readily available in the system either.  That latest mega-best-seller with the super long WL line will likely be at my library and the local thrift stores before long so to me they're a waste of WL space. 

Date Posted: 2/9/2011 10:36 PM ET
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Melanie, you may be right about the books I posted - I might well have posted them in August and September, although at this point I don't think I can check on that. That's a good thought.

But the one that I just received? I am fairly certain that I learned about it because it came up on my Daily Digest - newly posted, in February. I don't think there's a way that I can verify that, but I really can't think of any other way that I would have learned about it.

In addition, I've had the same experience that others are describing: seeing books go from saying "2 books posted last week" to having no last-posted date.

So yes, I'm pretty sure there's a problem somewhere.

ETA: Positive. In my transaction archive I found a Harry Potter book in Spanish which was on my wishlist for some time before I was offered it and received it in August 2010 - but the last posted date is June 2010. 



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Date Posted: 2/9/2011 11:38 PM ET
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The max "last posted date" I've seen has been 3 years ago so I wonder if it's been longer that that, if the date drops off and is not reported??

Date Posted: 2/10/2011 12:05 AM ET
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Well, the responses here have been interesting.  I guess I can't count on anything, so I'll just keep revisiting my WL and whittling it down some other way than according to whether or not books on it are likely to ever have been posted before (and therefore likely to be posted again).  I have very few, if any, mega-seller books on my WL and I check periodically and very few (if any) are at in our library system.  My problem is I keep visiting other members' wish lists and finding interesting (and evidently rarely posted) books to wish for.  I am continually having to edit my WL.

And this was weird.  I thought I was maxed out yesterday (when I posted my question) because I wasn't able to post anything else to my WL (I don't recall if I actually checked the total number on my WL or not before I posted my question).  Well,  I just went into it tonight and it was down below 190 - and I hadn't done anything to it.  I've deleted some since, but I wonder what was going on with my WL that it wouldn't let me post to it yesterday (making me think I had maxed it out again)?  I know you all don't know the answer to that.  I'm just wondering out loud.

Thanks again for the responses!



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Date Posted: 2/10/2011 2:20 PM ET
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Melanie wrote that the PBS team wrote:

Dear Melanie,

"Last Posted" means the last time that ISBN was posted in the club. It is not affected by anything that happens after that - the posting is the thing that is being recorded for that "last posted on" index.

We hope this information is helpful. Have a great day!

If that's the case, then it's definitely broken. When I added books to my WL to see what came up as a last posted date, these were books that I posted myself and sent out within the past month up to the past six months. They come up with no "last posted" date at all. I do have some books on my WL with last posted dates of 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010...so I don't see why those are still there if they drop off after a certain time.

There doesn't really seem to be any rhyme or reason to it, to be honest...which is why I have mostly ignored it as one of those useless features that "sounds good" but in actuality doesn't work.

Cheryl

Date Posted: 2/10/2011 3:39 PM ET
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"And this was weird. I thought I was maxed out yesterday (when I posted my question) because I wasn't able to post anything else to my WL (I don't recall if I actually checked the total number on my WL or not before I posted my question). Well, I just went into it tonight and it was down below 190 - and I hadn't done anything to it."

I had the same thing happen to me once. My wishlist was 192, but it wouldn't let me post anything to it. Then after I moved a few books off the wishlist and onto my reminder list, it worked again.