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Subject: When are RC's too picky?
Date Posted: 9/16/2012 11:05 AM ET
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I know this can be a sensitive topic, and I am not trying to start an arguement, but I am wondering if anyone else is finding some RC's to be extremely picky and particular? I am very careful never to post books that are damaged, I don't have a smoker in the house, and I pack and ship my books carefully. That being said, the books I list have all been read, so they don't look brand new, which is sort of the point of this site, isn't it? They have some corner wear on the covers, a few page corners that have been folded down, creasing in the spine from being opened, but no wrting, no water damage, no tears or missing pages.

I have had two requests in the past week for the same book, a YA title. In the first, the list of conditions was extremely specific, and ended with the requestor saying that the book was to be a gift. Basically, they wanted a brand new book. I turned down the request, because I felt it was better to be safe than sorry, as my book did not look like it just came from the bookstore, it loooked like a book that had been read once and put on a shelf.

I got a second request for the same book, with fewer conditions, but a specific request for no cover folds. My book has a very faint white crease at the bottom corner where it looks like it was folded up a bit, probably when my daughter carried it in her backpack. The cover is flat now, but you can see the white crease mark that is about 3/4 of an inch long. Again, I turned down the request; same reasons.

I am just wondering when it is crossing the line to expect a book that looks basically new, when this site is supposed to be for swapping used books. Maybe some people have been burned and recieved books that are basically trashed, but I never have. The books I post are in great shape, but they have been read, which is the point. I just worry that I am getting tracked on the site for turning down requests, and it may lead to me being kicked off or something, when it is really because of requests that seem to be over the line.

Is anyone else experiencing this? Do I need to be concerned about turning down requests?

Date Posted: 9/16/2012 11:17 AM ET
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It's the requestor's credit, and they can spend it however they want to.  If they want books that have certain critera ( no cover folds, no library books, non smoking, dust jackets, etc, etc) , what does that matter to anyone else?  

If it takes them longer to get a book, then that's the risk they take by having an RC.   They have a right to want their books to be in a certain condition, just like everyone else does too.   They are spending a credit just like I am spending a credit.   If I am OK with the minimum PBS posting requirements and I will accept books in that condition, who really cares if other people have stricter or more specific criteria?  How does that affect me?  It's not "right" or "wrong", it's just personal preference or even medical or allergy conditions (smoke, pets).  

I am just wondering when it is crossing the line to expect a book that looks basically new, when this site is supposed to be for swapping used books. 

How is it crossing a line?  It's their right to only accept books in with certain criteria, they just have to know it may take them longer to recieve books.   If they are OK with that, what does it matter?

Date Posted: 9/16/2012 11:21 AM ET
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I think people can request whatever they like. You've gotten a few in a row as they tend to be at the top of long WL lines as they get turned down fairly frequently. If they are willing to wait for the book they want, I don't see what the problem is. They request, you politely refuse, you go on to the next person, everyone continues on with their day, and no one gets a book they don't want. There's no issue here.

Date Posted: 9/16/2012 11:25 AM ET
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Well, as I said lower down in my post, I am concerned that repeatedly turning down book requests is going to get me in trouble on the site - that is why it matters to me. If the site doesn't care, then I won't worry, but since they track it, I assume they care. What I am looking for is some information about whether MY account is going to be negatively impacted by refusing book requests.

Date Posted: 9/16/2012 11:30 AM ET
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It doesn't count against you when you turn down RCs, so you don't need to worry about that.

They will eventually count it against you if people request books from you and you turn them down for OTHER reasons, but not for RCs.

Date Posted: 9/16/2012 11:33 AM ET
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No one cares. It's completely fine. There are pople who turn down all RCs, just on principal.

Date Posted: 9/16/2012 12:22 PM ET
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Yup, a lot of people turn down all RCs. Everyone has a right to ask for anything they can imagine in an RC, and everyone has the right to turn down RCs for any reason. I no longer sweat what is going through someone else's mind, I just accept or decline the RC and I'm done.

I've seen some weird/rude/unrealistic/confusing RCs and I sometimes wonder what the person is trying to accomplish. But it's theirs and if it is working for them, then it's not too picky I guess. The only person that can really determine if an RC is too picky is the person that is using it when requesting books.

Subject: Weird turndown
Date Posted: 9/16/2012 12:34 PM ET
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Yes, some members turn down any RC. My only RC is that I'd rather not have books with highlighting and underlining. I know this is covered by the basic PBS condition guidelines, but I've received a lot fewer offending books since I added the RC. So last year I got turned down for a audiobook - ?!?. Hard to do any under;ining in those, I would have thought.



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Date Posted: 9/16/2012 1:14 PM ET
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I've accepted books that had a half-inch hole in the back cover or a USPS machine had taken a bite out of the book. So I sometimes wonder about people who seem to want perfect books. Of course, that is their right, and I even have a RC against tobacco smell.  Still, when a member's RC just relists some or all of the PBS standards I wonder why, but usually credit it to their being new members.

The RCs that I have problems with are the open ended ones, such as "no odors," "no spine bending," or "looks good enough to display." I have sent out books to many people with RCs, but I always refuse the open-ended ones that require personal judgement on the part of the requestor.

In my early days as a member, I once received a RC that was about 200 words long.  As far as I could determine, that person basically wanted a book in the same condition you received it from Amazon and still in the shrink wrap.



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Date Posted: 9/16/2012 2:36 PM ET
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The only RC I might consider overly picky are the requests for brand new condition, b/c we all know PBS is a used book swap site.  But it is within the rules to ask for such.  And no worries, it isn't counted against you to turn down any or all RC's.

Other than that, I probably wouldn't use the term 'overly picky'.  But some RC's are more complex than I have the desire or ability to decipher  blush

Sounds like the OP is running into the same situation I've recently noticed, that the first couple wishers on the wishlist are still at the front b/c other members have also declined their (complex) RC's.  They can continue to wait through a series of declines, or modify their RC...their choice, and no skin off your nose.

Hope your book finds a new home soon!



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Date Posted: 9/16/2012 4:05 PM ET
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I don't care why people ask for what they ask for. If my book meets the conditions, I send it, and if not I decline.

It doesn't really require any more thought than that.

I particularly like when an RC just restates the site conditions, because I don't even have to check my book to see if I can send it. I already know I can just send it.

Anyway, why do I care if someone is looking for like-new books here? Plenty of people have them and will send them, me included. I don't really understand the mindset that is only willing to send like-new books to members who don't care and didn't ask.



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Date Posted: 9/16/2012 5:30 PM ET
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Anyway, why do I care if someone is looking for like-new books here? Plenty of people have them and will send them, me included. I don't really understand the mindset that is only willing to send like-new books to members who don't care and didn't ask.

I'm totally baffled by this too. I mean, the people with RCs are the people who are more likely to appreciate a book in lovely condition as they've actually bothered to make a point of it. 
Date Posted: 9/16/2012 5:32 PM ET
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I am just wondering when it is crossing the line to expect a book that looks basically new, when this site is supposed to be for swapping used books. 

I'm not sure why so many people think this is a site just for swapping used books. Many people swap new books. It seems odd, but it happens and there are also MANY, MANY books swapped on the site that look still new. People can come here to swap books for whatever reason they want to swap for. RCs give them that ability. If you are uncomfortable sending your book or it doesn't meet the RC, deny the RC. There is no penalty for not meeting an RC because they are for asking for something about and beyond the site's requirements and all any posted book has to do is meet the site's requirements. In theory, none of your books could ever meet an Rc.

Date Posted: 9/16/2012 5:36 PM ET
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I've received one or two books new, still in shrink wrap. There you go.

Date Posted: 9/16/2012 6:13 PM ET
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Bottom line?  PBS allows any and all RC's, so anyone can be as picky as they choose and not break any rules.

You and I can, of course, not send them our books.

Worrying about why others have an RC is an exercise in futility.  Just say NO and move on. Life is short - let them be picky but don't let them get under your skin.

Date Posted: 9/17/2012 9:55 AM ET
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I don"t mind RCs as long as they are not vague, If I have to guess exactly what they are after I turn it down. But I know sometimes RCs can be frustrating too. I recently had a hard to come by book, that was the only one in the system and I think I went through 4 people because it was a discard from the library. I felt that the RCs hurt them, not me but if they wanted a book in a certain condition, it would not be right for me to send one that would dissappoint them and I knew someone would want it. It did take a little extra time but the 5th request got it and was very pleased with the book, as it was in great shape, outside of the library markings and discard stamps. So yes, sometimes RCs can make it harder to get a book sent out and I often wonder how frustrating it must be for the people with the RCs waiting and waiting for a book that meets their standards but thats their choice. I do find that now that it is up to about $3 to send a book, and I can order them like new from amazon for maybe a dollar more with shipping that if I want something like new, I'll just pay the $4 and order it from amazon.

Date Posted: 9/17/2012 10:43 AM ET
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I just don't give RCs a second thought. If they are vague, it's not my problem. If my book meets their requirements, I happily send - and I've received a number of very nice PMs from people who have RCs and have been very appreciative of the books I have sent. I use an RC very occasionally. There are some books for which I want the cover. I don't mind waiting, as if the book has an Ellen Raskin or Edward Gorey cover, I don't want the book without it and I'm willing to wait.  

Date Posted: 9/18/2012 7:58 AM ET
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I think Denise is right about why you suddenly got 2 complex RCs on the same book.  People keep declining them, so they pile at the front of a WL line.  I got 3 "no cat" RCs on one book once.  I thought that was beyond bizzare until I figured out wht had happened.

 

Date Posted: 9/19/2012 3:58 PM ET
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A year ago I had a really good (good in the bad sense) RC which was a entire paragraph long.   Wish I had copied and saved it.  It was so subjective, so restrictive that I read it aloud to my husband and we had a nice laugh.  That RC gave me the impression the requestor was extremely picky.  I declined to send the book. 

Generally if the person say something that's objective (no water stains or no torn edges), I'll send the book.  It's when the RC is vague/subjective or the requestor comes off as being very nitpicky that I refuse.  I don't want to risk a RWP.

 

 

Date Posted: 9/19/2012 7:25 PM ET
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I don't care why people ask for what they ask for. If my book meets the conditions, I send it, and if not I decline.

It doesn't really require any more thought than that.

I particularly like when an RC just restates the site conditions, because I don't even have to check my book to see if I can send it. I already know I can just send it.

Anyway, why do I care if someone is looking for like-new books here? Plenty of people have them and will send them, me included. I don't really understand the mindset that is only willing to send like-new books to members who don't care and didn't ask.

 

Excellent response, Sara, and I 100% agree.  I send to RCs all the time.  If the book meets the RC--send the dang thing!

Date Posted: 9/19/2012 7:38 PM ET
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Here is a very unpicky RC that I received today.

"unless a book is missing pages, i will accept it. i'm planning to read it not keep in a library. if it is badly damaged - but still readable - that's fine. there are other places i can send it on to if it's not PBS standards to forward.  thanks!"

I congratulated the member for having an open mind about book conditions.

Date Posted: 9/19/2012 7:53 PM ET
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Thomas- but they are not going with PBS rules on this. Thats encouraging people to send unpostables when they should not be in the system.   If they dont care, try the book bazaar. 

Date Posted: 9/19/2012 7:57 PM ET
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Thomas- but they are not going with PBS rules on this. Thats encouraging people to send unpostables when they should not be in the system.   If they dont care, try the book bazaar.

Yeah, I agree.

No one should have that kind of damaged book in the system to start with. If they do and they've gone far enough to get an order for it, it doesn't make sense to reward them.

And they shouldn't get the idea that posting them is acceptable, because someone might want it. That's what the Book Bazaar is for.

 

Date Posted: 9/19/2012 8:56 PM ET
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I understood her as saying not that she wanted unpostable books, but that if the book she requested that was FIFO was not in the PBS-required condition, she would still accept it.

It seems to me that if we can allow people to append stricter conditions to their PBS requests, then we can allow people, or at least this person, to append less strick conditions. After all, who is receiving the unpostable? She is. And they are her credits she is 'spending.' And she has stated that she will not reoffer the unpostables to others.

Perhaps she is the purest reader here. A reader who has attained Book Nirvana. She is not interested in the condition of the book, but only in the words that the book contains.



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Date Posted: 9/19/2012 10:33 PM ET
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It seems to me that if we can allow people to append stricter conditions to their PBS requests, then we can allow people, or at least this person, to append less strick conditions.

You're missing the point.

An RC isn't like a sig, or a profile, where you can list you'll take sub-standard books offered outside the system. An RC only appears when an order has been placed.

By the time the Sender gets her RC, their book has been posted. It's against the rules to post a book that doesn't meet guidelines.

So people following the rules will never have to worry about her RC, because they're following the rules and posting good books. If they're not following the site rules, and have posted a book they shouldn't, they shouldn't be rewarded with an order and a credit.

It'll just encourage them to break the rules and put books into the system that shouldn't be there, just in case someone will take it.

No one should be posting substandard books, so her RC should never apply to anyone. Sadly, people do post all kinds of crap, some knowingly, some ignorant about the rules and some by accident. None of them should be rewarded for doing so.

PBS doesn't want any book that doesn't meet standards listed for trade in their system. They just cause problems.

 

 

 



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