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Subject: Which would you do?
Date Posted: 1/4/2010 1:40 PM ET
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I have a request for a couple of books on my shelf that were not on my PBS bookshelf.  The request came through the Bazaar.  When I went to post both books I found that neither had an ISBN.  But I found both of them in the system and everything matched (cover, book type, book description).  Because I have a request for both these books I listed them under the ISBN that is currently in the system.  But, I started thinking about what I would do if it happened again. 

So, if you have a book that matches everything in the system but has no ISBN, would you list it under the ISBN in the system or with no ISBN and take the chance on the book being pretty much lost in the system because it doesn't have an ISBN?  My other question is, why do they publish books with no ISBN when they have already been published under an ISBN and nothing about the book has changed?

Rick B. (bup) - ,
Date Posted: 1/4/2010 1:46 PM ET
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I don't understand a lot of your setup paragraph - but the rule is, you can't post it with the ISBN's if it doesn't have one. Occasionally you'll get that even if the book is not terribly old, for some reason book club books often don't have the ISBN anywhere on or in the book.

Date Posted: 1/4/2010 1:51 PM ET
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Not sure how you got a request for books that you didn't have posted on your bookshelf but  one edition is not the same as another. It may be the same book but ISBNs are pretty unique. Not totally but pretty much. To be truly identical, your book would have to be the same size, have the same number of pages, be published by the same publisher in the same year as the first book. And if they were that exact, it would have the same ISBN. There are ways to list books that you own that have no ISBN. Just go to the help docs.

susan/vt

Date Posted: 1/4/2010 2:05 PM ET
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I would follow the rules of PBS and post them without an ISBN.   If the other versions were WL than I would advertise my NON-ISBN ones in the Book Bazaar or in the IS This On Your WL thread for their genre.  Then you might find someone who wants them and will let you post them right to their WL.  I would get a PM from them first and make sure you keep the PM stating that they understand that it's not the same edition.

If they aren't WL then I would just post them wihout the ISBN and make sure they had a picture and that I ented all the the title/author info to match the other editions in PBS. They would come up when someone searched for the book if everything matched.

Date Posted: 1/4/2010 2:28 PM ET
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I just wanted to add that to some people it is especially important the ISBN match. They are looking for a particular edition and if you send your book they would be correct to post RWAP. Also, while maybe the person who receives your book doesn't notice or care, if they just click repost from their bookshelf, they may receive a RWAP because they would be posting a book incorrectly.

susan/vt

Date Posted: 1/4/2010 2:32 PM ET
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Not sure how you got a request for books that you didn't have posted on your bookshelf....

Someone posted on the Bazaar that they were looking for three books out of a series.  I had the three books that I had not listed on my bookshelf because I had all 9 books from the series and wasn't sure I wanted to break up the set.  There was nothing "hinky" about the deal.

The book was identical to the description on Amazon.com down to the number of pages, but no ISBN.  I think that the person who posted about book club books may have hit the nail on the head.  That's probably why no ISBN.

Also, when I started thinking about it, not having an ISBN may be an advantage.  When the book with the ISBN has 200 copies in the system and the book with no ISBN has only 1 copy in the system, that may increase the chances of the person looking for the book choosing mine where I would be first in the FIFO line. 

Date Posted: 1/4/2010 5:43 PM ET
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Most books have the ISBN on the title page.  Although sometimes they put an ISBN for another edition there so you have to check the binding.  But just a though that if it's not on the back cover it could be on the title page. I find this especially true of older books before ISBNS and barcodes became standard. 

Date Posted: 1/4/2010 6:21 PM ET
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Check the publication date - ISBN numbers started being used in 1970 in the United States and 1969 in Great Britain. A book older than that will not have an ISBN.  It may have a library of congress number but that is not the same thing.  So any book from before 1970 will have to be entered as "no ISBN".

Date Posted: 1/4/2010 6:25 PM ET
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Because I have a request for both these books I listed them under the ISBN that is currently in the system. 

Kate you might want to warn the person you are sending them to that you posted the books to an ISBN that is not on the book and that they should not use it to repost them. If they leave them posted that way and just repost from the system, they risk a RWP-wrong book and losing their credits. Many people search out specific ISBNs to request and will ask for their credit back if they get a book that doesn't have the correct ISBN on it.

Date Posted: 1/4/2010 6:26 PM ET
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I would follow the PBS rules that state it has to be listed as having no ISBN.  Otherwise the books are going to be RWAP as they are not meeting the posting rules.

Ronda (RONDA) - ,
Date Posted: 1/4/2010 6:36 PM ET
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since you have already made a "deal", you could just do this by having the reciever buddy you the credits.  You guys might not like that because then it is not tracked in the system.  But it is done all the time with deals, put one in the system to get the credit and address and then include the 'extra' book(s).  Or when I sent 17 books to one person, I had only put 2 of them in the system, so they buddied me the rest of the credits instead of bothering with adding the books to the system.

It requires a bit more trust, but I haven't had any problems with doing this.  I had a previous order from the person I sent 17 books to that went fine.  Don't think I would have done 17 on a first time receiver, 2 or 3 I would probably do on a first time.

Date Posted: 1/4/2010 7:06 PM ET
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Kate you might want to warn the person you are sending them to that you posted the books to an ISBN that is not on the book and that they should not use it to repost them.

I already let her know that the ISBN's they are posted under are not the ISBN's in the book and that there is no ISBN in the book.  She doesn't care because she is buying them to complete the set for her mother who wants to keep them.

It's so weird about the ISBN's though.  The page where it normally would be is full of publishing information, just no ISBN.  If I remember correctly, I bought the books as a set from someone on E-Bay.  I'm wondering if they were sold as a series set and that may be why they don't have ISBN's.  These are the only books I have run across in my possession that don't have an ISBN.

Date Posted: 1/4/2010 7:14 PM ET
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I've come across a lot of books from teh early 90's that had no ISBN anywhere.  I'm guessing most were BCEs.  Every book that I've ahd an  ISBN problem with has been a BCE.  The clubs like to issue hardcovers of books that were first released in paperback and then they use the same ISBN. 

I think it was fine how you did it since the requestor knew before hand.  Whenever I have a non-ISBN or a wrong ISBN of a WL book I offer it in the BB.  Someone always wants it and I just post it to them.  But I have the PMs to state that they know it's a different version and that the ISBN is either non existant or brings up the wrong book.

Date Posted: 1/6/2010 8:55 AM ET
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I never said it was "hinky" I said I didn't understand. You explained it perfectly in your follow up post. Makes sense. And it sounds like you have worked it out fine because of all the PMs and all that. I'm just trying to help when I say that even if it has the same number of pages, etc, that doesn't make it the same book. Some people are collecting and want a certain edition. They make their choice on the basis of the ISBN. They do NOT want a book club edition (or whatever) they want ONLY the edition they are asking for. In this case it makes no difference. You have worked it out just fine, just want you to be aware in case you run across this again.

Glad you got a deal. It's a win-win situation.

susan/vt

Date Posted: 1/6/2010 1:05 PM ET
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I finally figured out the books.  It appears that they have the ISBN on the barcode on the back of the book, but not on the copyright page.  I have no idea why the publishing house did this, but the books did have ISBN's after all.  I had totally forgotten about the barcodes on the back of books.