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Subject: Who has the power???
Date Posted: 8/18/2009 12:25 PM ET
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I think lots of us have complained recently about the number of  "deals" being posted in the genre forums outside of the red sticky threads.  On the L&R forum, there are a couple of people who faithfully respond to these posts and remind people that they should be posting in the sticky thread.  But it's just getting worse and worse.  In the sticky thread, it says that deals posted in the genre forums can be deleted without warning.  Who has the power to delete them and have they ever used it?  I think that's the only way it might get any better.

What if there was a series of red sticky threads on each genre forum...the one that's there now for advertising your bookshelf and deals, plus put the "Is this on your Wishlist" thread and the "Is this on your bookshelf" thread up there too.  That would provide a place for all three types of "advertising" that is allowed outside of the Book Bazaar in one place. 

I have sent in feedback about this issue, but I just wondered if anybody has any other ideas to help get some of the clutter down. 

Date Posted: 8/18/2009 12:35 PM ET
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There aren't any moderators and the only ones that has the power is the PBS team.   As the membeship grows and I have seen many posts - many don't care about the rules of the site.  I just saw a post that asked for 2 credits for a book!  They have beem a member since 2007 and should know better.    Yes members try to help by reminding other members of the rules, but they do not have any authority and therefore I am sure many will just ignore their post.  I know this was a question in the survey that was sent out - would you like moderators on the fourms, so maybe enough members have written in to PBS.  I agree with making the WL and Bookshelf a sticky would help but not stop.   I think the only way to contain it is by having a moderator(s) who will jump in when there is abuse.

Date Posted: 8/18/2009 12:50 PM ET
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The stickied deal threads haven't been in the forums that long, just a few months, and it actually has cut down on the number of individual deal posts.  Definitely hasn't eliminated them though, and while it's annoying, there's really not much to be done except keep doing what we're doing with self-policing the forums.  Even if there were moderators, I don't know that PBS would give them the authority to remove posts- they'd probably just do what we're already doing, which is telling people who are posting inappropriately where they should be posting their deals and whatnot.  The sad fact is that people just don't read the rules, they just post (and somehow manage to miss the bright red stickied thread at the top of ever forum, lol) so what it comes down it is educating one person at a time.  Yes, it's tiresome, but I've come to just accept that it's going to happen no matter what.

Date Posted: 8/18/2009 12:53 PM ET
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Lesley, I really appreciate your gentle reminders on the L&R forum to help keep the traffic down.

Date Posted: 8/18/2009 12:58 PM ET
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Thanks- I do my best, but I don't know how much good it actually does in terms of preventing more postings.  At least we don't get people repeating deals anymore if they're told where they should be posting those.

Date Posted: 8/18/2009 12:59 PM ET
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These annoy me when they go up on the L&R forum and mash down all of our meaningful discussions about squicky passages in a love scene, or which cover model has the hottest bod:P  It seems like when it rains, it pours and there are either none or a ton.  I tend to favor the gentle approach when posting reminders about where those posts should go, because I mostly figure this is someone unfamiliar with the forum who thinks they're doing us a humungous favor by posting their deals:P  Some of them get their feelings hurt no matter what you say, some don't seem to notice at all and they're back next week posting more, and the rest take it graciously. 

Date Posted: 8/18/2009 1:02 PM ET
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I stopped reading the Children's books forum for this reason. I used to give gentle reminders, but then some people (in a thread and in PMs) told me that deals and shelf ads were acceptable and to stop telling people to post in the red sticky threads. So, I gave up.
Date Posted: 8/18/2009 1:07 PM ET
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Janelle, I've never been on the Children's forum, but I guess each forum kinda has it's own culture.  Like on the Christian Recommendations forum, there is no Available WL or Is this on your bookshelf threads.  It's all done in the red sticky thread, which means it isn't done very much at all.  I haven't been around long enough to know if it's because the people who hang out there have done that intentionally through self-policing, or it's just worked out that way.

 

Date Posted: 8/18/2009 1:15 PM ET
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You almost have to use a particular forum for a while & get a feel for how the people who use it the most self-police it.  That probably sounds wacky to some people, but that's generally how forums work:P

Date Posted: 8/18/2009 1:34 PM ET
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I'm one of those who points the red stick thread out in teh L/R forum. So far I've never had anyone get upset.  I just put something like "welcome to the L/R forum. Please keep the deal offers to the Red Stick Thread at the top and the book bazzar.  Otherwise the deal threads take over and the actual discussions this board was intended for get lost".

I've also noticed that on the L/R forum whenever a couple of deal threads appear a whole bunch older discussion threads get bumped to push them down.  So then all these threads that haven't had a post in wks will suddenly be lively again. 

Date Posted: 8/18/2009 6:32 PM ET
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<<I just saw a post that asked for 2 credits for a book!>>

The PBS Team cannot read every forum and every message, thus it is the responsibility of members, in our largely self-goverened adult community, to report significant violations to the PBS Team (using the "Contact Us" link) so they may investigate.  I've done this myself a few times and seen good results. 

I'm not saying we need to report every member that mistakenly posts in the wrong thread, but those who seek to openly flaunt the rules, try to hold Tupperware parties in CMT, or repeatedly ignore polite directions to the appropriate posting locations should be reported and given the opportunity to have a little chat with Team PBS about equal rules for all in our community :-)

We, as members, hold the power, as well as the responsibility that goes with it.

Just my personal $.02

Cheers,
Catt



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Subject: Gentle Reminders - Do They Work?
Date Posted: 8/18/2009 8:28 PM ET
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I really appreciate those who post the reminders about where it's appropriate to post a deal.  I tend to be a "rule follower" so I suppose I at least skimmed the rules when I joined. But honestly - there are a lot detailed rules here. No complaint - I agree with almost all. But it's a lot for newcomer to take in.

When I first visit a new site, I tend to lurk and read postings until I get comfortable enough to participate.  In that mode, I probably learned most of what I know about the rules by discussions or someone being corrected and pointed in the right direction.  I think at least some others are the same, so, yes - I do think the gentle reminders help things along.

Date Posted: 8/18/2009 9:40 PM ET
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Christa, I've been wanting to put a Is This on Your WishList thread in the Christian book forum, the problem is I haven't had any books to post yet!

Date Posted: 8/18/2009 11:02 PM ET
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Doesn't somemone have to ask the PBS team to make a permanent sticky thread in a forum?  I think that's all it would take to accomplish it in any forum lacking such a thread.  Give it a go and see what happens. 

As for members not following the rules, well, we all know I'm a dedicated rule-follower.  For a site like this that is dedicated to a smooth running automatic system of trading books, following the rules is the only way it will work smoothly and efficiently.  I really dislike it when people think it's okay not to abide by the rules because it blurs the lines and causes things to break down in the system.  PBS really isn't a "free-for-all" site.  The Book Bazaar is the only place that is close to being a "free-for-all" area of PBS, and I really don't like to go in there, but that is just me.  I hope everyone who is giving "gentle" reminders of the rules keep doing it and others support them in that.  Forum moderators usually are for policing for bad language and bullying.  I would hope that being able to remove a thread that didn't follow the obvious rule of posting in a sticky thread would be part of their authority.  Clear cut cases.

And who is asking for more than one credit (don't tell me, really)???  After all we go through to explain why it's one credit for one book, I am floored that someone would be that obvious. 

Ruth

Subject: Sticky/Pinned Thread vs Not
Date Posted: 8/18/2009 11:21 PM ET
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The only thing bad about one of the sticky threads is they tend to last forever and can end up being too long to read.  The wishlist thread is created as a regular thread each month by the first member with something to post.  It generally stays fairly close to the top since people are actively posting.  It would be nice if it were a pinned thread, but not if we had to give up starting fresh each month.  Otherwise it would grow to dozens of pages long.