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Subject: Why would an active member do this...WL question
Date Posted: 11/30/2010 5:53 PM ET
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I recently posted a wish list book and it has been rolling through members. Because I often look at the profile of the person with the wish list request I have become aware that two of the people that the book was offered to were active members...they each had signed on every day that the book was available to them, and because their sending/receiving stats were visible, they each seemed to have available credits (yes, I know they might have donated credits that would not be reflected in their stats) but neither of them did anything...just let the request time out. Why would an active member do this? Is it such an onerous task to decline a book if they no long need or want it? The only thing they gained was the book being removed from their wish list and automatically placed on their reminder list when it timed out. Are they being lazy and inconsiderate of those waiting in line behind them? Or is there something that I am not considering?

I bring this up because I know a lot of new members, as well as established members, find it frustrating to have to wait a long time for a wish list book, yet here are active members clogging up the system, without even going into the whole inactive accounts issue!

Date Posted: 11/30/2010 6:09 PM ET
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I don't have a clue. Even if they're not getting email, the system should let them know.  It sure does sound frustrating!

Date Posted: 11/30/2010 6:29 PM ET
Member Since: 5/3/2006
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Indecisiveness?

Date Posted: 11/30/2010 7:08 PM ET
Member Since: 12/31/2009
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Evil.

Date Posted: 11/30/2010 8:34 PM ET
Member Since: 7/5/2007
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I missed a book, despite loading the forums daily because, well...

I read the email notification but our net was down, so I had to "table" it for later and promptly forget and since I leave the forums up 99% of the time, I often don't visit my main page.

And I was sick.  And the kids were sick.  And I don't think straight when I'm sick.

 

Of course, this reminds me of the time when someone reamed me out for being "online" but not participating in something somewhere else.  I hadn't been on my PC, but my son had and he had crashed my browser and restarted it.  Well, of course the tabs reopening would make me look like I was active...  DH thinks I'm weird for leaving tabs open all week long.  *shrug*  I am weird.  I just find it tedious to close out a tab when I'm done with it at that time only to have to reopen it the next day.

Date Posted: 11/30/2010 9:16 PM ET
Member Since: 8/15/2007
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I bet they may have wanted the book but were waiting on a credit, and then something happened so they couldn't make it back in time to accept.

Of course, this reminds me of the time when someone reamed me out for being "online" but not participating in something somewhere else.

This is why I keep my last login status hidden.

Date Posted: 11/30/2010 9:24 PM ET
Member Since: 8/23/2007
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I've had that too where a WL books sits there and times out and I can see that they've posted book and added book to their WL since receiving the WL offer. I wonder is some members don't know that they lose their place in line if they ignore a WL offer and so let them time out if they aren't ready for them yet.

Date Posted: 11/30/2010 9:34 PM ET
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Sometimes I end up going to the discussions page without ever stopping by my main profile page. This means that if I miss the email about the wishlist book it is entirely possible that I will overlook the fact that one is being offered to me. It's unlikely, but it has happened. I wish they had a little alert icon for wishlist books like they do for personal messages.

Date Posted: 11/30/2010 9:52 PM ET
Member Since: 2/26/2006
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Liesl, I've never understood that.  We have an alert checkmark with PM's and when a book is being requested from us, but why don't we have an alert checkmark when a book is being offered to us?

Date Posted: 11/30/2010 10:03 PM ET
Member Since: 9/13/2007
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Yeah, even the little number in the drop down menu (again, as is done with PMs) would be nice. It's not such a big deal with requests since you have more time on those, but apparently I don't always view my main account page every 48 hours.

Date Posted: 11/30/2010 10:27 PM ET
Member Since: 7/23/2006
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I could easily miss a wishlist offer :-b  I rarely go to my front page too.  And if I read the pm, but didn't have a credit, or thought I might decline the offer, I could easily forget and it would time out on me.

It's never happened that I know of, but still...

Date Posted: 11/30/2010 10:47 PM ET
Member Since: 6/19/2008
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Sally ,

The other day I was offered 2 WL books that I really want and I have no credits.  Last week I sent out 5 packages , in fact one to the same state I live in. So I've been keeping my fingers cross that ( hopefully ) two would make it so I can accept the books. I'v been checking a couple times a day.....but no luck and they timed out   I'm sorry , I know that frustrats people,

I would buy credits( as I have all the times in the past)  But were having a very hard time money wise this month and with christmas coming so soon....?

My buddy that post books to my account , always ask me to let them know when I'm ready ( have credits) and I do the same.

I cant speak for anyone else that does this but I dont do it to be  evil .



Last Edited on: 11/30/10 11:36 PM ET - Total times edited: 2
Date Posted: 12/1/2010 2:29 AM ET
Member Since: 5/18/2007
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I had one time out on me the other day -- perhaps it was one your are mentioning.

One of the first times it's happened but it did. Here's my scenario: I was possibly being given this book by a friend. When it came up, I reminded her to see if she still had it. I planned to just accept it on PBS the next day but life got in the way and I never got back to my computer in time to accept it. so I missed out on the PBS copy.

What I'm constantly amazed at is the impatience of people. Two days. Ok, so it rolls over a couple, three times. Six days. It's a BOOK. Does this group of impatient people not have something to read in the meantime? I have hundreds of books to read while waiting for "yet another one" that I can't live without ! lol I guess I just don't get the frustration angle of this whole thing. This site is supposed to be fun. I fail to see how having frustrated feelings at having to wait can garner much fun. Learning patience can make all the difference in the world in how we enjoy our time on PBS. I choose to forgo the impatience and have fun instead.

Date Posted: 12/1/2010 5:15 AM ET
Member Since: 12/3/2005
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I've honestly never even looked to see if the people that have the WL hold are online or not.  Really, I couldn't care less.  Either they will accept or not.  If they don't accept and let it time out through the system, well, you can consider it positive because if it is done continuously, I believe it can result in an account being flagged as unresponsive plus they get to go to the end of the line and your book is that much closer to someone who actually wants it.

Date Posted: 12/1/2010 6:51 AM ET
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I've never checked the status of the WL people either, but if I'm not in the mood to have the book cycle through several members, I've been known to check the status of the book, and only post it if it's on WL auto. Granted, that doesn't insure that my book will go to that person, but it does increase the odds.  I have more than enough to read and sufficient credits for a change, but I try to mail same or next day, and of late have been putting my shelf on hold periodically, so I tend to post WL books in the hopes the acceptance/mailing dates will work to my convenience.

Date Posted: 12/1/2010 7:04 AM ET
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The only time I take any notice is when I've posted multiple wishlisted books and I'm trying to avoid making multiple trips to the post office. There always seems to be one hold out that I'm left waiting for it to be approved until the last minute. 

Date Posted: 12/1/2010 7:12 AM ET
Member Since: 8/23/2007
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It's not a big deal but it is frustrating when you have other books to mail, you need credits so you post a WL book and then it just sits there not being accepted. You post a WL book a week before you have to go on vacation and then it's still sitting there when you have to leave or you have to stop it from rolling over and try again when you come back.

If you don't have credits put your WL books on hold.  It's not hard. If you are too busy to check if you have WL offers then autorequest the ones you are near the top for.  It's just common courtesy.  I'm here everyday and I mostly just use  the forums but I do check my main page at least once a day.  It takes a few seconds. 

Date Posted: 12/1/2010 11:41 AM ET
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I get that we are just talking about a book -- not organ transplant -- LOL. Mary said it well: It's not a big deal but it is frustrating when you have other books to mail, you need credits so you post a WL book and then it just sits there not being accepted. You post a WL book a week before you have to go on vacation and then it's still sitting there when you have to leave or you have to stop it from rolling over and try again when you come back.

From another member: I guess I just don't get the frustration angle of this whole thing. This site is supposed to be fun. I fail to see how having frustrated feelings at having to wait can garner much fun. Learning patience can make all the difference in the world in how we enjoy our time on PBS. I choose to forgo the impatience and have fun instead. This site IS fun. I get a pleasurable feeling when I am able to send someone a wishlist book and so I get frustrated waiting for that wishlist book to be accepted, especially when it is not an abandoned account. We have wish list hold so that if someone is not ready for a book they can put it on hold until they are ready or have the credit. Why not put books on automatic request if you have available credits? Supposedly the wish list is for books that you want and are ready to order -- the reminder list is for books you are considering. Yes, it is just a delay of 2 days or 4 days or 6 days or 8 days until the book is offered to someone who accepts it, but if that happens all the time those 2, 4, 6 & 8 day delays turn into weeks and months delays for members further down the wish list. Yes, we all can come up with scenarios about why a wish list book wasn't accepted by an active member...but I am wondering if for some members that is is the rule, not the exception.

I love this site, I want it to be the best place for swapping used books, but everything that goes on here has a trickle down effect...consider the infamous "but I got it that way" excuse.

Jeez, I didn't mean to get on my soapbox here. Bottom line, are you going to be part of the problem, or are you going to be part of the solution?

Date Posted: 12/1/2010 3:55 PM ET
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If you don't have credits for a WL book, talk to the person offering the book.  You never know they may be willing to front you a credit and then when the credit fairy visits you, you can buddy the credit back.  Hell, the worst a person could do is say no.

-RD 

Date Posted: 12/1/2010 5:47 PM ET
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How do you stpo a WL book from rolling over ?

I would also like to add , those two WL books that I was offered..I was not close to being # 1 so it came as a surprise. I dont know who posted them to me.



Last Edited on: 12/1/10 5:52 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 12/1/2010 5:54 PM ET
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The way to stop a wishlist from rolling over is to put your account on hold and the wishlist book will not rollover to the next person.

Date Posted: 12/1/2010 6:17 PM ET
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okay ,thanks for telling me how. When you unhold it ,does it go to the next person or do you have to re-post.?



Last Edited on: 12/1/10 6:18 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 12/1/2010 6:27 PM ET
Member Since: 8/23/2007
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You have to put your account on vacation when it's about to time out and then either use the hold option on the bookshelf or delete the book.  Then either unhold it when you are ready or repost.  But the only way to stop it from going to the next person is if your account is on vacation.  You can't put a hold on a book that's pending on someone's WL and as soon as it times out it gets offered to the next person. But if you go on vacation, when it times out, it goes on your shelf on hold instead of to the next person. 

Date Posted: 12/1/2010 9:53 PM ET
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If you don't have any credits to cover Wish List books offered to you, put your list on hold until you do have credits. That way you won't lose your place in line.

Date Posted: 12/1/2010 11:28 PM ET
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I would also like to add , those two WL books that I was offered..I was not close to being # 1 so it came as a surprise. I dont know who posted them to me.

Awhile ago when a book was requested off my shelf, I checked the requestor's WL and realized that I had two of her WL books -- so I posted them directly to her WL, figuring it would save me postage. Fortunately, she accepted and all was well. But later upon reading the forum discussions, I realized that what I thought was a good deed could actually have put her in a bad position. If she didn't have the credits, she would have had to let the offer time out and she would then have gone to the end of the WL line (and I of course would have ended up sending WL books to different individuals and paying separate postage). So now, when I have other books on the requestor's WL, I always PM first. So far, members have had credits and have been happy to get another WL book or two -- but now I'm aware that some members do not have spare credits and unexpectedly posting a WL book to them could be problematic.

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