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Subject: Why are people wishing for non-existant books?
Date Posted: 11/7/2008 9:54 AM ET
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I decided to post The Book by Alan W. Watts.  After searching I found a listing with 2 members wanting it.  However when I tried to post the book I got the message: If your book does not have one of these ISBNs, please post your book from the Post Books page.

ISBN-13: 62484
ISBN-10:

Since my book didn't have a 5 digit ISBN-13 or blank  ISBN-10 I didn't post, instead I created a separate listing.  This means those 2 members wishing for Watt's book will never be notified of their title being posted.  If I had posted this book despite the ISBN, I could be blamed of posting an incorrect book.

This is the second time this situation has come up.  Is there any way around this?



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Date Posted: 11/7/2008 10:02 AM ET
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Does your book have an ISBN number?  if not, you could have posted it under that "fake' ISBN as long as ALL details matched (binding, title,author, etc)  The ISBN will never match because it is a made up one

I know someone will come in here and say you can't do that but if everything matches and there isn't an ISBN anyway, why not?  It is a fake number, it will never be cleared out of the system because someone posted the book under that number and someone else requested it and might want to turn around and post it.  As long as you aren't posting a paperback and the desc says hardback you should be fine. 

You could also go into that fake ISBN that has wishers and put a tag that says "another version offered under ISBN XXXX" and that might point them to your copy



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Date Posted: 11/7/2008 10:20 AM ET
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Tagging the fake ISBN is a good idea.  It will hopefully also keep people from wishlisting that book in the future.  Also, in the book bazar, there is usually a thread for wishlist books available under a different ISBN. 

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 10:22 AM ET
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The Book I listed has a real ISBN.  According to the description from the wishers' listing it is the same book; same author, title, publisher, and page count.  The only differences are the incorrect ISBNs.

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 10:42 AM ET
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The ISBN's aren't actually "incorrect." They are generated by the PBS system when someone has to post a non-ISBN book manually. It would be nice if they were cleared out of the system entirely as soon as the book was requested. Anyone who has one of those system-generated ISBN numbers on their wish list really ought to remove them since their chance of getting them is predicated on someone posting a book in a way that goes against the PBS rules.

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 10:47 AM ET
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Theodore, then I would put a tag on the "fake" book to point them to your ISBN and hopefully they will order it!

Also, when you have a book, ALWAYS post it by ISBN and not title! 

Bren, if they cleared out a book after someone ordered it then that person would have to set up another fake isbn number in the PBS system if they wanted to post it after they read it.  It is a never ending vicious circle!  Plus if it is a book that is older and never had an ISBN they can always hope that someone posts it there or reposts it if they got it from that particular description/posting



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Date Posted: 11/7/2008 12:55 PM ET
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One reason that somebody might have that version on their wishlist would be that they just added every version to their wishlist.  If I am looking to read a certain book that is not available, I will look it up by title or author (depending on how many books that author has or similarly named books) and I will add every single version that comes up to my wishlist without looking at ISBN numbers.  I don't care what format I get it in.  I noticed this has helped me "bypass" long lines on some books because the popular versions will be heavily wishlisted, but others might not be.

Date Posted: 11/9/2008 10:47 AM ET
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ISBN numbers can also be different due to the various publication dates.  I had 2 copies of George Orwells Animal Farm books.....everything looked the same....except for the ISBN's.  Only difference in the books were the years they were published.

Date Posted: 11/9/2008 1:46 PM ET
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I've done the tagging thing before and had my book ordered pretty quickly.  Twice now I"ve had a dif ISBN version of a book that had a long WL line.  For some reason my ISBN was in the system but not WL.  One time there was over 80 people on WL for one version and the one I had had a couple posted already. The binding, cover picture, # of pages-everything matched but the ISBN was different for some unknown reason.  I tagged the book and it was ordered almost immediately.  I can only assume that the copies posted before mine were also ordered. 

Also the system is supposed to send an email when a different version of your WL book has been posted.  Although some people have this option turned off.

I think it's like Kimberly said: some people just put every version they see on their WL not really noticing that some are PBS ISBN's.  I had some on my WL when I first joined before I realized they weren't likely to be reposted.  Sometimes also there is no ISBN version showing up in PBS for older oop books. So the only option is to WL those fake ISBN's and hope you get lucky.  Is your version a newer rerelease of the book?  It's possible those people just don't know it's been released with an ISBN. 

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Date Posted: 11/9/2008 3:00 PM ET
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IF somebody posted the very copy of the book that had the 'auto-generated' ISBN, that is one case where the fake ISBN could be re-used. Even with WL books, I tend to be a read-it-and-repost-it kind of member, so it's conceivable that someday WL-ing a fake ISBN could pay off.



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Date Posted: 11/10/2008 9:13 AM ET
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Mary,

How do I tag the "fake" ISBN book to let them know I have a version?  I am just astonished at how many people put those 4,5,and 6-digit ISBN's on their wishlist.  Kite Runner has over 300 copies posted, yet there are a fair number of people with a goofy ISBN on their wishlist.   I don't think they ever check by just entering the book's title in the search feature.

Thanks,

Cindy

Date Posted: 11/10/2008 9:28 AM ET
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Cindy, go into the description of the book and near the bottom is an input box and the word Tag somewhere right around it (above it or to the rigth I think).

type in the box something like:  also listed under ISBN XXXXX

then hit the button to the right of the box

you will have then tagged the WL book

Date Posted: 11/10/2008 1:50 PM ET
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Thanks for the response, Leslie, but I have a question.  Do I go to the description of MY book or the one that is wishlisted?  Because I don't see a tag feature on the wishlisted one.  So if I go to MY book, then I would type in "also listed under ISBN 12345."  ?   Sorry to be a pest.  I have not used these tags yet. 

Date Posted: 11/10/2008 2:41 PM ET
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You tag the WL one so when they look at their WL can see the tag that it's posted under another ISBN. 

I saw a book on someone's WL yesterday that's an old book with lots posted into the system with various ISBN's and binding types.  I was tempted to PM them and ask why they have it on WL.  Maybe they want that specific cover for a collection. 

Date Posted: 11/10/2008 3:47 PM ET
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slow reader, passing through, please continue...

(I was going to ask how you could PM unless you posted the book to see who was wishing for it.  Missed the "I saw a book on someone's WL..."



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Date Posted: 11/10/2008 3:56 PM ET
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I must be a dunderhead.  I went to a wishlisted (with a 4-digit ISBN) copy of The Kite Runner.  I could not find a tag button.  I see all the buttons on the right, like 'note', which is personal and not viewed by anyone else, and 'more options' which doesn't include a tag.

What am I doing wrong?

Date Posted: 11/10/2008 4:06 PM ET
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Cindy, go to the copy that has a long WL.  In the description there should be that same tag input box at the end before the review box starts.

for example, The Kite Runner with ISBN 1418 has 3 people wishing for it.  if you scroll down past the description and look under the book covers there is a box and to the left it says "Tag this book" and then the box and then a grey button that has + Tag on it that you would click on after you type in what you want the tag to say.

it really isn't a button and that may have been my mistake...I was trying to go from memory



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Date Posted: 11/10/2008 4:32 PM ET
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i give up

Date Posted: 11/10/2008 4:37 PM ET
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Is it possible that you can see that tag button with Firefox but not with Explorer, which is what I use?  Because that !@#$%^& box just isn't there!!

Date Posted: 11/10/2008 4:51 PM ET
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I use IE at work and have no problems

what is the ISBN that you are looking at that doesn't show the box?  are you scrolling down far enough?  are you looking on the left side of the screen under the book covers (I think it says something like books ordered by other members that ordered this book)

And are you looking for a BOX that you type in or a button because it is NOT a button!!!!  except for after the box which is the "enter or add tag" button



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Date Posted: 11/10/2008 4:57 PM ET
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oh and it is NOT on the right where all of the other buttons are (add to wish list, reminder list, etc)

Date Posted: 11/10/2008 4:57 PM ET
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AHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

I went to my profile and did not have the tag function checked "on".  Though it says that having the function on "off" does not affect one's ability to tag books, it sure does.  Because once I clicked "on", there was that pretty little tag box just like you said it would be.

Sheesh.  Now I'm too worn out to do any tagging.  Leslie and Mary...Thanks for hanging in there with me and trying to get this through my thick noggin!  I appreciate your help!

 

 

 

Date Posted: 11/10/2008 5:28 PM ET
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wow, I don't even know if I knew that was an option (to turn it off an on) so I'm glad you figured it out!!!

Date Posted: 11/10/2008 5:54 PM ET
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If you are looking at a list of books, way over on the right (you might have to scroll) under the "order this book" button, there is a "+ tag" button.  Or little farther down, under "post this book" you'll find a "+ tag" button.

or

If you click on the book's title opening up the book's info page, scroll down, and underneath where it says "similar books to this author and title" (where there are cover images of other books) there's an open space called "tag this book" where you can write a tag, then click "+ tag."

ETA: Oops -- too late, I let my comment sit here while you guys figured everything out! :-)  Nice detective work!



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Date Posted: 11/10/2008 9:25 PM ET
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Back to one of the original questions.  I have ordered an older, pre-ISBN book, read it, and put it back on My Bookshelf.  Someone requested it.  So those PBS-generated ISBNs do work past the initial listing by the initial member.

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