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L. G. (L)
Subject: Why I reiterate NO WATER DAMAGE in my conditions
Date Posted: 6/6/2008 4:16 AM ET
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6/4/2008 7:48 PM ET

 

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CANNOT MAIL (Requestor Conditions): 'Burn Unit: Saving Lives After The Flames' by Barbara Ravage

 

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Dear L.,

We wanted to let you know that the book you requested on 6/4/2008 'Burn Unit: Saving Lives After The Flames' by Barbara Ravage cannot be mailed because of your Requestor Conditions.

The member who this book was ordered from had this to say....



I don't smoke so there is no problem with that, but there is a small bit of water damage on the top of some of the pages because my water bottle leaked in my bag that I had the book in. So because of this I think it won't meet your requirements. Sorry.



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Date Posted: 6/6/2008 7:15 AM ET
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Date Posted: 6/6/2008 8:09 AM ET
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OK...while on the topic....

I was sorting through some books to list and noticed a couple books had freckles. The coloring on the edge of the paper looks like it has been sprinkled on. There is no waves and you cannot see anything looking at the pages.

Is this water damage?

I do not consider it damage but then again I am not terribly picky about a readable book. I chose not to post and put them in the donation box.

Date Posted: 6/6/2008 10:13 AM ET
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I don't get the aversion to waves.  I wouldn't mind reading a book with that kind of water damage (if you can actually read the words that is)

 



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Date Posted: 6/6/2008 10:48 AM ET
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I was sorting through some books to list and noticed a couple books had freckles. The coloring on the edge of the paper looks like it has been sprinkled on. There is no waves and you cannot see anything looking at the pages.

Is this water damage?

From what you describe it seems that the freckles may be foxing. I had a book with foxing all on the outside edges of the book and a few specks on the inside of the pages.

I sent a message asking R&R about this and they said foxing is allowed.

Date Posted: 6/6/2008 11:33 AM ET
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What is foxing?  That's a new one to me.  A form of water damage or just oxidation of pages after time? (I suppose I could go look this up on Google...)

Okay, decided not to be lazy and looked it up on http://www.bookologist.com/cab/abu/y203/m03/bk0001/s03.  Here's what the definition says:

Foxing: An imprecise term for spots, stains and tanning found commonly on the pages and covers of books. Colors range from brown to reddish-brown to yellowish-brown; shapes range from distinctly circular to irregular blotches or general discoloration; sizes range from tiny spots to stains (or tanning) covering entire pages. Most typical locations for foxing are on the endpapers, especially those in direct contact with the boards; pages facing an illustration, bookplate (figure 1), or inserted newspaper clipping; and any area where moisture has been introduced and allowed to remain over time.

 

There are pictures on the site as well if you want to take a look.



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Date Posted: 6/6/2008 11:52 AM ET
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I agree L, that book shouldn't even be posted here.

Date Posted: 6/6/2008 12:02 PM ET
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Wow, thanks for that. You'd think that having the rules in place would stop people from posting books with water damage. 

Subject: why I request that the ISBNs match
Date Posted: 6/6/2008 12:08 PM ET
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I have been declined twice recently, due to the fact that the ISBN does not match what I ordered.  (Uh, did they miss that little pop-up box??)  And there is no way to know who it was or to let PBS know since it doesn't show in the transaction archive. 

L. G. (L)
Date Posted: 6/7/2008 5:28 PM ET
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I sent the reply to Richard so that he can pull that book from her shelf, if it's still there.  Unfortunately it may have already gone to someone else, since it was a WL book. :/

Why can't people READ and PLAY BY  THE RULES?

Seriously, you'd think that people who like books enough to join a swapping club are smart enough to comply with the rules....

 

Date Posted: 6/7/2008 9:48 PM ET
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Date Posted: 6/7/2008 9:56 PM ET
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I recieved the book Blood and Chocolate with a stain on it that was either blood or chocolate. That is my funniest PBS oops.

It always baffles me that on a site for readers an astounding amount of the members dont read the site. Its truly strange to me.

Date Posted: 6/7/2008 10:07 PM ET
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Date Posted: 6/8/2008 10:05 AM ET
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Seriously, you'd think that people who like books enough to join a swapping club are smart enough to comply with the rules....

You'd think so wouldn't you?

Subject: wavy pages
Date Posted: 6/8/2008 9:28 PM ET
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HMM okay so I didnt know that about humidity. I guess I figured the books I have that have wavy pages (not listed) were from humidity since they probably came from OK, but I didnt list them because I figured people would get upset.

My problem is I am not even in the remote least bit picky on condition, so wavy pages dont bother me. Ill read whatever I can get my hands on. But I have a BUNCH of wishlisted stuff that the pages are slightly wavy from what I figure was humidity, that I havent posted because I am afraid someone would think water damage and be upset. I just dont want to battle over it. I guess I still probably wont post them just because I dont want anyone to be upset because we have a difference of opinion.

 

Date Posted: 6/9/2008 12:03 AM ET
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I'm with you, L.   I reiterate the club rules in my Rc and get the occasional, "well, I guess my book doesn't conform to your request".  UGH!  I want to tell them to take the *%$# book off their shelf, then, because NO ONE should be getting it if it isn't meeting the club rules!  Ridiculous.

Date Posted: 6/9/2008 10:27 AM ET
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But L., I told you it was only a little water damage.  Really.  I mean this is a used book, what are you expecting?  ;)

I don't really understand what's so hard about reading the rules, myself.  It's not like they are hidden away and hard to find.  You see them every single time you list a book.

Date Posted: 6/10/2008 12:40 AM ET
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I would have had to reply, "The book doesn't meet PBS conidtions, not only mine."

Subject: ok really?
Date Posted: 6/10/2008 2:06 AM ET
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Not trying to be mean, or anything. But seriously? The books are used! I think my biggest problem with this site is peoples expectations on the book. I have so many books to share adn I cant, because I am so afraid of people expecting a new book on a used book website. I have a library in my basement of easily 2000- 2500 books. Books that I bought used 15 years ago with wavy pages. I have no issues with mold. I checked since the issue was brought up.

I agree if someone posted a book that doesnt meet requirements then they shouldnt have posted it. BUT-when I get a request that someone lists the conditions, and it comes across that person wants a perfect book, then I will decline it. I dont want to despute.

I had a book that 537 people were wishlisted for. The first person in line waited over a year to get the book. Yet that person only wanted it if it was from a non smoking home, with a dust jacket, no water damage or wavy pages, never been around pets, and ( I love this one ) -not worn or dirty. If you want it that perfect order it from amazon.  The copy I had, while perfectly readable, had been given to me used. It had been in the trunk of an idiot friend of mines car, It was slightly dusty. and the dust cover was worn. I pm'd the requestor and explained the condition and offered to send pictures. The requestor didnt want it, didnt want pictures, and refused to decline since they would lose thier place in line, and they had waited over a year to get it. My only option was to pull it from the shelf and NO ONE got it. If I had waited a year to get a book, I am assuming its something I want to read, and I would take it in less then perfect condition. I would take it any condition being as how it was hard to find. I might add that it was copywright 1994.

I guess my point is until PBS finds a way for us to rate or discribe books, I really wish we could find a happy medium between those of us who order books for the purpose of getting books to read and dont care what condition they are in, and people who expect them perfect.

Not trying to upset people or make anyone mad, just want people to think. The books are USED!

And some of you have mentioned websites like this one that exsist with less conditions on the books, can you refer me to them?

 

Date Posted: 6/10/2008 2:29 AM ET
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Tricia it is well within anyones rights to have conditions that say whatever they want. It is not a personal attack upon your books. Really most people just want books that they can trade again and get a credit for it. Since THE OWNERS OF THE SITE created these guidelines to use on the site we all have to agree to and conform to these guidelines. If your book meets those guidelines post it. If it doesnt then do something else with it. You can offer them as free with an order in the book bazaar.

Smoking home, it is not against guidelines some people are allergic to smoke so they create RC's against it. So allergic that just the smell can trigger an attack. Im sure they would like to be able to breath while reading their books. If you smoke cancel and go on to the next one.

Dust jackets again they are not required but some may want they so they create RC's. Some people are creating collections they want all their books to be pretty. The site allows it so they can ask for dust jackets. If yours doesnt have one decline the request and let it move on to the next person.

Water damage is against the site rules anyway but it causes mold. Mold can cause lillnesses or allergies. If your book has water damage remove it from your shelf its not postable.

Pets again not against the rules but some people are allergic to some pets so they create RC's. If you have pets cancel and go on to the next one.

Worn (seperating them cause they are two things) again some people are building collections. They want pretty books. If it is excessively worn its against site rules but if its just a little worn its not so some people create RC's The site allows it so cancel the order and move on to the next one.

Dirty is against the rules. No stains dirt would be a stain. Who wants a dirty book? If your book is dirty remove it from your shelf its not postable.

The reason we have condition guidelines set is because TPTB cannot control the inventory. For that reason they have set up rules for what is and is not acceptable condition. Its not likely to change any time soon but if it does then you will likely see many many more conditons because the site works based on a FIFO system. First in first out. Whoever posted the book first is the first in line for an order from a search. To allow a rating system they would have to change the way the entire site works.

Edited to add a word that I missed. and to clarify



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Date Posted: 6/10/2008 8:07 AM ET
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I think my biggest problem with this site is peoples expectations on the book. I have so many books to share adn I cant, because I am so afraid of people expecting a new book on a used book website.

We are NOT expecting new books. We ARE expecting books that meet the minimum guidelines that are PBS' rules. Water damaged books, books with no covers, moldy books, ect. DO NOT meet those standards. And yes. I HAVE received every one of the aforementioned books from here on PBS. And it sucks that I spent a credit on a book that should NEVER have been posted and I often get a quite bitchy response when I polietly point out the book is not acceptable like "well, it was a free book.What more do you want?" So that gives them permission to pawn off a book they couldn't get even a dime for on me?!! UNBELIEVABLE!!! . It is reasons like that that many of us older members get angrier more quickly because we have all be burned, usually more than once.

 

 



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Date Posted: 6/10/2008 2:55 PM ET
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I understand the frustration, particularly with the no water "damage" requirement. I think it should be worded as no excessive water damage. For example, just today I picked up one of my books to re-read, which has been sititng on my keeper shelf for several years. I had intended to post it after I finished re-reading it since it is wishlisted, but I noticed that about 1/2 of an inch of the top corner of about 6 pages near the back of the book are very slightly wavy. But that makes it unpostable.

I just cannot understand that. I mean, if I were at Half Price Books, for example, and saw the book on the shelf, I would still pay the $3.50 for it. It is absolutely readable. The "damage" does not even extend to a single letter in the book. And I know that since it has been sitting nice and dry on my bookshelf for at least 6 years, it is not going to get moldy.

Don't get me wrong, I play by the rules here. But I do think that a lot of the time the conditions for what is postable and what isn't are a little too strict. I do not offer any of my "damaged" books here free with an order. I just go over to another website that allows me to describe the condition of these books, and 99% of the time, they are snatched up within hours, AND I still get a book in return.

Date Posted: 6/10/2008 3:30 PM ET
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Wavy pages that are not a result of water damage are acceptable and postable.

Date Posted: 6/10/2008 3:50 PM ET
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But I do think that a lot of the time the conditions for what is postable and what isn't are a little too strict.

 

I politely disagree. I personally am not unusally picky in general but I can not have ANY water damage of any kind to any book I read or own. I am highly allergic to mold and can have  serious allergic reactions when I am exposed to mold spores.  Mold spores in water damaged books may not be visible to the naked eye. You people who do not have allergies don't know how incredibly lucky you are!

 

 

Date Posted: 6/10/2008 5:44 PM ET
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Tricia--I'm confused as to why you withdrew the book from your shelf because it didn't meet the first requestor's conditions. As long as it met the PBS site conditions, when you stated that you could not meet the first requestor's conditions, that person would have remained in line while the book was offered to the next person on the list who might not have had any conditions at all.

If you have books that are unpostable for some reason, as long as they are readable they can be offered as a freebie with another order from your shelf. If they are a much wanted book, chances are someone will place an order just to get the freebie. I have a book I'm currently reading that is wishlisted that I will be offering as a freebie in the future because it arrived at my house in the middle of a rainstorm--and got wet. I always make sure that when I list my unpostables I list the reason for it being unpostable in my profile (or my signature).

 

 

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