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Subject: This is why I usually turn down RCs
Date Posted: 6/27/2013 5:10 PM ET
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Unless they're specific (non-smoking home, non-pet home) I nearly always turn down RCs.  Lately I'd been feeling that I was being unfair, though, so the next time an RC came up, I decided to accept.  It read

"If you notice your book is not swappable, then please message me before cancelling the Order. Depending on the title, I may be flexible on its Condition. Additionally, it's fine if you need the maximum time to Mail."

The books he requested had been read once and then remained on my bookshelf afterward, until I took them down to pack them.  They were in exceptional condition.  So I figured "Why not?" and sent them on their way.

Today I get this message

'Hello: I have received the above 2 Books, and Thank You. Also, I was able to sand down the stain on one of the Titles, and so I am now able to indicate that it was received in good condition...'

I swear, I wanted to scream.  Does he really think I believe he took sandpaper to a book cover?  Yes, I have my credits, but the whole transaction left me with a sour taste in my mouth. 

And that worry that I was being unfair?  Yeah, that is all gone now.

Date Posted: 6/27/2013 5:50 PM ET
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Ha. I'm usually pretty open to working with RCs, but I have pretty much a blanket understanding that anyone who wants people to PM prior to ordering (particularly if they don't include their screen name) is going to turn out to be a pest.

Date Posted: 6/27/2013 6:00 PM ET
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What caviglia said!

MaryF

Date Posted: 6/27/2013 6:44 PM ET
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Does he really think I believe he took sandpaper to a book cover? 

I use sandpaper to sand down stains on the edge of pages. Did he mention the stain was on the book cover?

Date Posted: 6/27/2013 7:14 PM ET
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I have an RC.  That said, I NEVER accept any that ask for a PM.  Especially if they are asking for one, yet fail to include their nickname.  Deal breaker for me.

Date Posted: 6/27/2013 7:30 PM ET
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I've got an RC, too, but I'm pretty sure it's specific (no ex-library, djs for hardbacks). Sorry you had such a weird experience with this person.

If you notice your book is not swappable, then please message me before cancelling the Order.

This is pretty much proof that this person is not following the rules of PBS - unswappable is unswappable no matter what the recipient is willing to receive, and it sets a bad precedent for senders who may not know better. I don't think it would be out of order to let the PBS folks know.

Date Posted: 6/27/2013 9:12 PM ET
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That's a good thought.  I'll drop them a note later. :)

 

Date Posted: 6/27/2013 9:30 PM ET
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Lsressler, I assumed he meant the cover.  I've never heard of sanding a book at all, so I'll take back thst part of my comment.  But I'm still avoiding vague RCs from now on.  :)

Date Posted: 6/28/2013 11:36 AM ET
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I use sandpaper to clean the book edges too. For anyone who hasn't tried it, it can take a book from unpostable to postable very quickly.

I'm not sure what the RC has to do with the note you got from the receiver. You could have gotten that note from any receiver. He didn't say that the books didn't meet his RC.

I get all kinds of notes from people with and without RCs all the time. Most are normal, a small few are wacky.

Date Posted: 6/28/2013 11:48 AM ET
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I'm not sure what the RC has to do with the note you got from the receiver. You could have gotten that note from any receiver. He didn't say that the books didn't meet his RC.

Yeah, I'm not sure what the connection between the two is either.

His RC was just that if you found the book unpostable when you went to wrap it up, (which happens) not to just cancel. Lots of people are after older books that are hard to find and would be willing to take them in unpostable shape if they can get them at all. People post unswapables in the Bazaar all the time.

In that case, though I'd cancel anyway and leave my ID in the note so he could contact me by PM. Then make the transaction a private one, like the ones in the Bazaar. Then they can't leave a RWAP by accident.

And, yes, I've heard of sandpapering books, covers and sides, to remove slight stains. Haven't tried it myself, but apparently it works.

Date Posted: 6/28/2013 12:52 PM ET
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"If you notice your book is not swappable, then please message me before cancelling the Order. ""

Ok, I know this sounds a little wonky at first. Then I thought about it. There have been a few occasions where I go to wrap a book (which I KNEW, absolutely KNEW it was postable when I put it on my shelf.) and find a small underline, a small stain in the very back, a tiny tear, or a small something that makes me hesitate. On those rare occasions I have notified the receiver that I found something and offered to mail it for free with another postable book from my shelf. So maybe it's not so wonky.

(And yes, I am one of those people that sand their books.)

 

Date Posted: 6/28/2013 5:35 PM ET
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'Hello: I have received the above 2 Books, and Thank You. Also, I was able to sand down the stain on one of the Titles, and so I am now able to indicate that it was received in good condition...'

I swear, I wanted to scream.  Does he really think I believe he took sandpaper to a book cover?  Yes, I have my credits, but the whole transaction left me with a sour taste in my mouth. 

Interesting you state where the stain he sanded was without him mentioning it. 

I sand stains off of books all the time.

Having an RC or not will not change whether people accept postable books or not. Be happy he accepted your stained book instead of asking for the credit back, he was within his rights. RC or not.



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Date Posted: 6/28/2013 7:38 PM ET
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It took some help from earlier posters for me to read this as "if you notice AFTER agreeing to send" as a last-minute check situation. 

I do try to sand stains off books (since joining PBS). 

If I can remove the stains I don't RWAP. I just don't mention this to the sender because I suspect it won't be appreciated (as proven by the thread).

ETA: I don't always have RCs. 



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Date Posted: 6/29/2013 9:07 AM ET
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@Melanie...

Interesting you state where the stain he sanded was without him mentioning it.  ?

Maybe it's just me, but I read the following...

sand down the stain on one of the Titles  

as the receiver indicating that the stain was located on the book cover.

Like the sender, I would have assumed he/she was referring to the book cover as well.

 

Pam

 

 

 



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Date Posted: 6/29/2013 9:30 AM ET
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I would have assumed book cover also by the way he stated "sanded down the stain on one of the titles". Where else would a title on a book be? 

But if I try to read hidden meaning into the sentence then i guess he could have been referring to just one of the "titles" that was sent. How confusing, but whatever. 

Most RC's I've gotten on book requests seem to be rather vague, so I decline them all with a note that I'm not sure if my "acceptable" is the same as their "acceptable" for whatever reason, and that I am "respectfully declining the request" so as not to send a book that they might not like. 

Some RC's are more specific, pertaining to smoke or pets. Yes, I have pets that stay outdoors, but I do interact with them everytime I go outside. I might get pet dander on my clothing that could transfer to the books. Yes, there are smokers in my house, although the books are kept in a different room in a closed cabinet. So I refuse those as well. Allergies are not to be taken lightly and I'd hate to send a book that might trigger a reaction in the recipient just because "I" didn't think the pets or smoke had affected the book.

Date Posted: 6/29/2013 10:42 AM ET
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Where else would a title on a book be? 

People also use "Title" to mean "Book". 

I think libraries and ebook stores use the term a lot, as I see "We've added new Titles!" all the time.

 

Date Posted: 6/29/2013 10:45 AM ET
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I thought "Title" was used as syndoche. 

In my experience it's really hard to sand the stains off a book cover without damaging it. I've only really tried sanding the edges. (Any more experienced sanders want to give me some pointers?)

So I'd assume the stain was on the edges unless stated otherwise. 

Date Posted: 6/29/2013 3:39 PM ET
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@Melanie...

Interesting you state where the stain he sanded was without him mentioning it.  ?

Maybe it's just me, but I read the following...

sand down the stain on one of the Titles  

as the receiver indicating that the stain was located on the book cover.

Like the sender, I would have assumed he/she was referring to the book cover as well.

 

Pam

 

 

I wouldn't read it that way at all. I just read it as referring to one of the "books". I've hear the word titles used like that often enough that it wouldn't have even crossed my mind that the receiver wasn't using it that way.

 

 

Date Posted: 7/1/2013 3:51 PM ET
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Ok, this is all new to me - I never heard of sanding out stains. If the edges of pages are yellowed or darkened due to sun exposure or just time, will it lighten that up? Do you use a fine grain sandpaper or a rougher one??

Thanks. I learned something new today!

Date Posted: 7/1/2013 5:11 PM ET
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Hi Marilyn!

I had a book once that had a rather dark "scuff" mark on the top edge of the pages.  It didn't bleed on the pages, but it looked bad.

I took a fine grit piece of sandpaper and very gently rubbed the stain off.  It didn't damage the pages at all and it looked like new.

MaryF

Date Posted: 7/1/2013 5:14 PM ET
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FYI - I use Very Fine Grain (3M 220). It works really well as long as it's just a surface mark.

Date Posted: 7/1/2013 5:36 PM ET
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Hold the edge of the book tightly closed and rub a fine grained sandpaper along the page edges. Great for ink and other smudges. Can remove the evidence of unequal sun fading as well. This is for the page edges, not marks on the pages.

Don't try on deckled edges.

Date Posted: 7/1/2013 5:57 PM ET
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I use a nail buffing block for edge sanding. There are a couple different sanding textures and there is also a thin layer of cushioning under each. I find it makes it easier to get a good grip and apply even pressure.

Date Posted: 7/5/2013 3:09 PM ET
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Carol K yes My take as well.

I have removed coffee stains from the edges of books with an emory board. If it is just a small surface stain and a fresh emory board it works just fine.Be sure to compress the area being treated very firmly. And only work in one direction, downward. Never side to side or bottom to top. FYI on interior pages use only the finest grit sandpaper, tiny little strokes, practically no pressure, and then the sucess rate is only about 20%. Recieved a book with a ton of food smudges. It wasn't postable so I experimented.

Date Posted: 7/14/2013 11:41 AM ET
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To take stains off books, I buy Goo Gone by the big bottle. It works so well, Yet sometimes I'll encounter a stain that Goo Gone will not touch, then, for whatever reason, water cleans it off easily. This guy may just be a lot like me, loving books so much and wanting to improve the appearance of a book. I even do it to those I know I'll pass on. I also buy book tape by the six-pack to repair covers. Perhaps your requestor just overdoes it a bit and feels he has to 'fix' every book.