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Subject: Wish list book with different ISBN
Date Posted: 7/4/2011 3:25 PM ET
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I have a wish listed book by Lisa Jackson that has a different ISBN than the one listed on the site. It is the same exact book just a different ISBN.

Does anyone know why there are different ISBN's for the same exact book?

Can I send it to the requester even though it has a different ISBN or am I asking for an RWAP by doing this?

 

Thanks

 

 

 

Date Posted: 7/4/2011 3:41 PM ET
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Different publishers get different ISBNs for their version of the book, bindings/sizes are different, or there is something different about the editions that is not obvious without comparing the two side by side.

You cannot post your book by an ISBN other than the one it bears. Sending it to the wishers for the other ISBN not only is asking for an RWAP, it should guarantee it because you are sending the wrong book since one of the 4 required fields do not match.

When you post your version a  "Similar to wish" email should go out to the wishers. You can also advertise your book in the Book Bazaar  or add a book Tag to the Wished for version that says something like "also available under ISBN XXXXXX".

Please don't post the book by the wrong ISBN. When you click Yes when it asks if your books matches exactly on ISBN, Title, Author, and binding Type you are violating your Terms of Use of the site if it does not.



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Date Posted: 7/4/2011 3:44 PM ET
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I'd like to know the answer, as well. I tried posting a very old (1975) Regency - there's a 'partial' ISBN on the spine just above the price. It's strange because another Regency from the same publisher does have the full ISBN on the spine.

Anyhow, when I searched the author's name, the same book, same blurb, cover picture the same, came up;  only difference is the price/pub logo are side by side.

On my copy the logo is above the price. And the ISBN on my spine has xxx-xxxxx. The ISBN in the system has 0-xxx-xxxX (MY same numbers minus the 0 & X at the end.

Can I post this post to the IBSN in the system since they're virtually the same? If I received the book it wouldn't matter since I'd know it was the same book and I know how quirky the older books can be; but would a more newbie be likely to RWAP the book? I don't need credits but would love to post the book as there is only 1 other copy in the system.

Gail

 



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Date Posted: 7/4/2011 3:49 PM ET
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You will most certainly get a RWAP if you send the wrong ISBN.  Some people may want the edition you have, but many folks specifically WL the ISBN they want . You MUST post the book under the ISBN you have, by posting the wrong ISBN you are violating the site rules.  Publishers use different ISBNs all the time for different bindings and different editions.   There are many reasons. Sometimes an older book will be reissued with a different ISBN.

If the ISBN you have is not WL and just goes to your bookshelf when you post it,  you can advertise that you have it in your signature or in the bazaar.  Someone who just wants to read the book may order it.  Sooner or later it will surely be ordered.

If  you are already in the middle of the transaction you need to PM the requestor and tell them you accidently posted the wrong ISBN.  They may want it anyway, or not, but the transaction should technically end since the wrong ISBN is tied to it.  You can cancel the transaction repost it correctly and they can order from your shelf if they want it.  If not, by your canceling the transaction the book will become un-posted and the requestor will be back on the WL in #1 position. for the next correctly posted book. 



Last Edited on: 7/4/11 3:51 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 7/4/2011 4:23 PM ET
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First, I agree that you have to post your book using the ISBN that's printed on it.  Listings here are ISBN-based.  There's no wiggle room. smiley

Then, an interesting side-note that might apply to Pioneervalleygirl's book, and also just because I like arcane trivia.

There are some older books, mostly published in the late 60s early 70s, that have SBNs instead of ISBNs.  It's acceptable on this site to add a "0" in front of an 9-digit English-language SBN to get the 10-digit ISBN.  Check the listing carefully.  If it matches, a zero plus the SBN is considered the same as the ISBN.

Chris F. (Booklynx) shared this info:

The 9-digit numbers, called SBNs (Standard Book Number), began in about 1966 and quickly replaced the LC (Library of Congress) numbers that are frequently found on older books. But these were soon replaced with the 10-digit ISBNs (International Standard Book Number) beginning in about 1970.  Although some publishers were a bit slow picking them up, by about 1973 or 1974 the ISBN system had become almost universally adopted by publishers (at least in the U.S.).  So, if you come across a listing for a book with a 10-digit ISBN that has a published date prior to 1970, you can be assured that it is a later reprint. To convert a 9-digit SBN to a 10-digit ISBN all you need to do (if the book was published in English) is prepend a leading 0 (zero).

And Sianeka said:

PBS is set up to list books primarily by ISBNs.  If you cannot find a valid ISBN, the book should be posted here as a Book Without an ISBN.  If the SBN does not convert to a valid ISBN, you would also need to post as a Book Without an ISBN.

 
Note about SBNs (and conversion to ISBNs)
 
SBN = 9 digit ISBNs were the original form. In the early 1970s a language digit was added to the start of the ISBN making them ten digits.

0 and 1 were allocated to English language publications. If you have a 9 digit number add a zero at the start. Alternatively, 9 digits are equally valid as this was the number given at publication, but is is common practice to add a zero as most automated systems require ten digits or more.
 
Anna B. (Classicanna) gave this info on the history of the ISBN:

Probably way more than you want to know, but the official ISBN site, (http://www.isbn.org/standards/home/index.asp) where the #s can be purchased has this:

History

In 1965, W. H. Smith (the largest single book retailer in Great Britain) announced its plans to move to a computerized warehouse in 1967 and wanted a standard numbering system for books it carried. They hired consultants to work on behalf of their interest, the British Publishers Association's Distribution and Methods Committee and other experts in the U.K. book trade. They devised the Standard Book Numbering (SBN) system in 1966 and it was implemented in 1967.

At the same time, the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) Technical Committee on Documentation (TC 46) set up a working party to investigate the possibility of adapting the British SBN for international use. A meeting was held in London in 1968 with representatives from Denmark, France, Germany, Eire, the Netherlands, Norway, the United Kingdom, the United States of America, and an observer from UNESCO. Other countries contributed written suggestions and expressions of interest. A report of the meeting was circulated to all ISO member countries. Comments on this report and subsequent proposals were considered at meetings of the working party held in Berlin and Stockholm in 1969. As a result of the thinking at all of these meetings, the International Standard Book Number (ISBN) was approved as an ISO standard in 1970, and became ISO 2108.

That original standard has been revised as book and book-like content appeared in new forms of media, but the basic structure of the ISBN as defined in that standard has not changed and is in use today in almost 150 countries.

 
Anna and Sianeka are the coordinators of the Data and Image teams of volunteers here.

 

 



Last Edited on: 7/4/11 4:31 PM ET - Total times edited: 3
Date Posted: 7/4/2011 4:25 PM ET
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I'm just going to donate my book in question. Not worth getting into trouble, that's for sure.

But it's sure a quirky situation. If I list the book as one without an ISBN the system will assign one and it'll be just one more generic number for the same book (there are already 2 listed that way), as well as the original one that almost matches the number on my book. Having 3 generic numbers will be too confusing for everyone, I'm sure.

Gail

Date Posted: 7/4/2011 4:38 PM ET
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Members here are used to the site-generated numbers (currently at 6-digits) assigned to single copies of books.  Most members know that the number applies to only one copy of a book, and that it works well to order them, but not to add them to our wish list.  When a book is issued without an ISBN, sometimes there are pages of these single-issue listings.  Not elegant, but it works.

There are more details in the help doc About non-ISBN items at PBS

But of course donating them is a nice thing to do!



Last Edited on: 7/4/11 4:40 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 7/4/2011 5:00 PM ET
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If I cancel the transaction the book automatically goes to the next wisher and I can;t get it off my shelf. Any advice?

Date Posted: 7/4/2011 5:24 PM ET
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If you cancel the book, it should be removed from your shelf. Did you happen to click that the book did not meet a Requester Condition instead? That will roll the offer to the next person. Once a member accepts the offer, if you hit the cancel or cannot mail button it will cancel that request and remove it from your bookshelf.

Date Posted: 7/4/2011 5:37 PM ET
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Great, Thank You.

Date Posted: 7/6/2011 1:07 PM ET
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Pioneervalleygirl, did you check the title page?  Some books printed in the 'transition' period (mid 1970's) were issued an ISBN but it was printed only on the title page ... that was before the generally accepted practice of printing the number on the cover.  Read carefully tho, some also included ISBN's for other formats (such as HC if yours is pb).



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