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Subject: So, am I on this wish list?
Date Posted: 1/31/2013 6:17 PM ET
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I listed this book on my wishlist in June last year prior to publication -

http://www.paperbackswap.com/CarlUnt2-11-Chocoholic-JoAnna-Carl/book/0451239547/

Now I find the listing for it after publication is

http://www.paperbackswap.com/Chocolate-Moose-Motive-JoAnna-Carl/book/0451238028/

The one showing on my wish list is the first one.  The second one doesn't show at all on my WL.  But, when I tried to add it, I get the message that "this book is already on your wish list".  So, why doesn't it show there?  Do the listings merge?  Am I really on the WL for this book as published?  The ISBN numbers are not the same.

Date Posted: 1/31/2013 6:42 PM ET
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Check how your Wish List is sorted.

No, the listings never merge. 1 ISBN = 1 listing.

I checked your WL and I see them both on it ... you wished one on 6/7/12 and the other on 5/26/12



Last Edited on: 1/31/13 6:44 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 1/31/2013 7:37 PM ET
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Thanks, I didn't look down far enough. 

Now that I have looked at it more closely, the unpublished one isn't due until the end of 2013.



Last Edited on: 1/31/13 7:43 PM ET - Total times edited: 2
Date Posted: 1/31/2013 7:40 PM ET
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Members often add those listing themselves when they see an upcoming ISBN published. The listing could have been done wrong, it could be an ISBN for a different edition (e-book or something) or the publisher changed the ISBN. ISBNs are destinctive and the system can't swap a "new" one out for one that is already in the system, nor would it even know that a new one entered was replacing an incorrect one that someone had set up.

Date Posted: 1/31/2013 8:25 PM ET
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An excellent example of why members should resist adding their own ISBN's prior to publication date (or even official publishing data is released).  All too often those ISBN's are inaccurate or there is some hold up or another, then those invalid entries are stuck in the PBS database.  Bunches of members have wishlisted invalid ISBN's not realizing the book will never be released, and often missing wishlisting the real ISBN for months or longer. 

It's very frustrating.  When the official data is released, the PBS system will pull it in correctly.  Fiddling the system prior to that often causes more harm than good.  I've seen members create 'short' ISBN's to 'remind' them of an upcoming release (before the real listing is available)...in the meantime other members see the listing and add it to their wishlist.  Now thinking they have the much anticipated upcoming release wishlisted, the unsuspecting members don't think to go back and check.  Almost a year after the release date, I've seen as many as 130 wishers for a short ISBN that will never be posted into the system. 

Sorry for the soapbox, this topic hits my hot button.



Last Edited on: 1/31/13 8:34 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 1/31/2013 9:41 PM ET
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Carol, you can always tell if a book is on your Wish List by looking on the details page. Even if you don't see it on your Wish List, the details page will tell you which of your lists a book is on.

When the official data is released, the PBS system will pull it in correctly.

There is no guarantee of this. The system will only pick it up if one its sources for the database have it. There are many ISBNs that do not get into those sources or don't until after the publication date is past.

This example is clearly one that should not have been in the system as it didn't even have a title to the book, but many of these even come in from outside sources. Anyone who wishlists a short ISBN for a book that hasn't been released should know their wish is wasted and will never be fulfilled, sorry I don't hold much pitty for people wishlisting an ISBN the site tells them not to wish list. For these "untitled" listings, I'd certainly be checking the system for the real book frequently. 

Date Posted: 1/31/2013 11:54 PM ET
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Members often add those listing themselves when they see an upcoming ISBN published.

Okay, what am I missing?  How can a member add their own ISBN listing for a 13 digit ISBN?  (If you add a book without an ISBN it's given a short, one time use number).  Both of the books in Carole's post have normal ISBNs, and both are listed on Amazon as legitimate books.

There have been a few times I've searched for ISBNs when I hear about a future new release, and although the book isn't in the database it's added during what I assume is the next update.  It's always been a legitimate ISBN/book though.

Diane

Date Posted: 2/1/2013 2:38 PM ET
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Okay, what am I missing?  How can a member add their own ISBN listing for a 13 digit ISBN?  (If you add a book without an ISBN it's given a short, one time use number).  Both of the books in Carole's post have normal ISBNs, and both are listed on Amazon as legitimate books.

You go to the Post Books page and enter the ISBN. If it is a valid ISBN but not in the system yet, a screen will open to enter the information needed to add the book to the database by its ISBN. The system to add a book without an ISBN shouldn't be used for books that have valid ISBNs unless the ISBN is already used in the system for another version/binding.



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Date Posted: 2/1/2013 3:49 PM ET
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I had no idea you could do that!  So then what happens when the update occurs that would have put that new book into the database?  Does it see that the ISBN is already there so the correct and full information doesn't make it into the DB?

Maybe that explains a book I just received from my wishlist--I remember putting my name on the WL for it well before it was released, close to the beginning of the line, and there was no cover photo yet.  The book has now been out for several months, and I received my copy this week, but the listing in the DB still doesn't have a cover.  I thought that was strange, but maybe that's because it was put into the system this way?

Diane

Date Posted: 2/1/2013 5:48 PM ET
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I did a search on PBS for the isbn number, I didn't add either one myself.  Actually, I did this for the Chocolate Moose Motive when it was listed as something like CarlUnt###Chocolate-whatever like the other one is now.  So the system did update that listing by the isbn.  I just had a moment there that I didn't scroll down far enough to see that the Moose book was in fact on my list.

Date Posted: 2/2/2013 11:48 AM ET
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So the system did update that listing by the isbn.

 

More likely a member/volunteer saw the incorrect listing and put through the correction.