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Subject: Wish Listing a book that's not out yet!
Date Posted: 9/10/2009 9:11 AM ET
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I have been with PBS since 1/09 and love, love, love it.  I just found out something new (to myself) the other day and wanted to share it with the newbies.  Did you know that you can Wish List a book that hasn't been published yet?  At least some of them.  I am a big fan of Beverly Lewis books and typed in a title of her new series that was coming out.  (Make sure you use UNPOSTED of course.)  Anyway, I was surprised to find out that the whole series was there even though one won't come out for months.  Needless to say I put them on my WL and am sooo happy!  Just wanted to share with those who didn't realize it could be done!

 

I love PBS!

Date Posted: 9/10/2009 9:19 AM ET
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Yeah, that's a great way to get "ahead" of the line, esp if it's going to be a long one. I'd say right now my WL is about 40% full of books that haven't even been published yet. Sometimes I wonder if it's a waste of space to take up room on my maxed-out WL for books not coming out till 2010, but then I know I'll be 1st in line or close when they DO come out. So I think it's worth it.

Date Posted: 9/10/2009 9:35 AM ET
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I agree -- I do it all the time too, and that's why I am looking forward to the new wishlist with an unlimited number of books! There are so many upcoming books that I would like to wishlist now, but I am already at 200, so what's a girl to do?!?!?!?

Date Posted: 9/10/2009 9:41 AM ET
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I agree.  I hate it when I WL a book and I am 900th in line.  My own fault but still don't like it.  I will be keeping up on my favorite authors better from now on and putting their future books on WL to get ahead of the game.  :)

Date Posted: 9/10/2009 9:43 AM ET
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That's the only way to WL paranormal books and get a decent place in the lines.

Date Posted: 9/10/2009 11:33 AM ET
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An unlimited wishlist may be interesting....until other members rank their books differently and jump ahead of you in line :( In addition,  I can't imagine how long the waitlists would be with unlimited wishlists.   Doesn't add more copies of the book to the system, just many more members (with room on their wishlist) that can wishlist books by your favorite author.

A couple discussion forums have threads - such as 'Paranormal books to wishlist' where members post when they discover the ISBN for upcoming new releases (Romance has one also).  These sharing threads are a good resource for adding favorite authors upcoming books :) Many books are posted early in these threads...which would probably stop if the proposed new wishlist system were implemented.  Who wants to offer the ISBN of your most anticipated book of the year, just to have 50 other members jump ahead of you in line?  And I certainly don't have time to rank hundreds of wishlisted books, and figure strategy to keep my place inline.

While there is some immediate attraction to unlimited wishlists, there are several other less attractive aspects.  So I'll live with a wishlist of 200 and request TPTB...if it isn't broken, don't fix it.



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Date Posted: 9/10/2009 12:03 PM ET
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Date Posted: 9/10/2009 12:34 PM ET
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Where can I find the specs on how the new Unlimited WL is going to work and do you know when that is going to start?

Date Posted: 9/10/2009 1:16 PM ET
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TPTB haven't set a date, but the changes under consideration are listed somewhere.  Hopefully somebody else's memory is better than mine! 

ETA - OK found it.  At the very top right hand corner (above the yellow & blue band) click on 'What's New'.  On that page, just under the yellow & blue bar look for 'Features New to Old' - and find the link titled 'Coming Soon: The New Wish List'.



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Date Posted: 9/10/2009 1:30 PM ET
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Thanks so much!

Date Posted: 9/10/2009 1:44 PM ET
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Another thing that's nice to do for other members is to read and re-post the WL book quickly so as others can enjoy it soon.  Unless of course you plan to keep it.

I try and read WL books as soon as I get them, I have plenty of other books on my TBR shelf that have many copies in the system and can read them at leisure.  

Date Posted: 9/10/2009 3:44 PM ET
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I think a new WL will help PBS attract and keep new members.  I've been a member almost 2 months.  In that time I've sent out nearly 100 books that were on other members' wishlists, but I've received less than 10 books that I've put on my WL.  I've gotten other books by browsing, which I've enjoyed, but it is disheartening to a new member when 90% of the books they want are on a long WL.  Yes, patience will pay off in the long run, but I've wondered several times why I just didn't sell my books and buy used copies of the books I want.

I joined SwapaDVD at the same time I did PBS.  Because of the way they do the WL, I've gotten more of my WL DVDs than I have WL books at PBS.

Date Posted: 9/10/2009 4:00 PM ET
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Marsha, try looking for books different ways...different spellings of the author's name, by middle inital as last initial...the search function can be funny about things like that and there can be books sitting unasked for by ISBN because no one knows they are there.  I frequently find there are 4 or more different ISBN's for some popular authors.   Try going to your WL and sorting by Author - then look to see how many are really out of place by alphabet. 

I know it seems it's going to be a long time for someof the WL books,but frequently the longer ones move faster than the short ones.  When I joined I thought it would take forever...but it didn't at all.  Itjust took some time for some of the WL lines to be thinned out by people no longer here or no longer interested in the book.  I think that (and I don't want to start a debate here about the new vs. the current WL) the "new" WL in counter-prouductive in the long run.  I know no one who isn't glued to their PBS account who would like to rate their books constantly to stay in the front of the pack for a book.   I will change my tactics if it comes to pass.... I won't leave, but I'll tend to buy the ones I have to have and just get ones that are already in the system that don't have WL's.

Ruth

ETA - I have about 40% of my WL as books not yet published as well.  I'm in the top 5 for most of them. If you are big into fiction...try going to FantasticFiction.com and they'll have most of the info about new books coming out in the next year by different authors.  I don't know how you would find non-fiction new releases.



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Date Posted: 9/10/2009 4:31 PM ET
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I've been a member almost 2 months.  In that time I've sent out nearly 100 books that were on other members' wishlists, but I've received less than 10 books that I've put on my WL.

Just to add a little levity - WOW! That's 5 WL books a month, or more than ONE PER WEEK. I'm jealous. I don't get nearly that many (and although it's usually accurate, PBS has been telling me I'm within 1 week for a book for over 3 weeks). So, getting one WL offer a week is something to be thrilled about in my opinion.

Date Posted: 9/10/2009 5:32 PM ET
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I've noticed wishlists are much longer since the recession :(  I've been a PBS member for 2 1/2 years, and there's a couple books I've had wishlisted my entire membership.  I'm also averaging 3 or 4 wishlisted books per month via FIFO.  Appears new and established members must be patient together!  That's also  why we share info like the genre threads for "Is this on your wishlist",  "Books to be wishlisted", and the book swap games...if you can be active in the forums, there is additonal opportunity to receive books and have fun. 

A big welcome to Marsha!! But if you are sitting at number one wisher for a book due for release on January 1st, 2010...I'm defending your right to keep your position in the waitlist regardless of who wishlists the book at a later date, or if they rank the book higher than you did.  While I'm willing, even interested, in some of the proposed site changes - when/if members can line jump, I'm taking my wishlist books and leaving. 



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Date Posted: 9/10/2009 5:36 PM ET
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Heather, as a math teacher I have to correct your calculation!  I did say less than 10, and didn't give an exact number because I didn't want to figure it out.  I think the exact number is 6.  But these were my WL books with short lines (under 5).  Mostly mathematics books that aren't posted often, but thankfully have few wishers.  In a couple of cases, I was the first wisher, so got the book the next time it was posted.

Also, it's the contrast I'm getting at here.  I've sent (on average) 12 WL books out each week, and gotten less than 1 back.  This week is a good example.  I sent out 16 books (13 WL) and received 1 WL book.

I've also had several requests cancelled because the sender had abandoned the account.  I'm sure there's myriad reasons why someone would do this, but I have to wonder if many are those who became frustrated at the long WL lines.

Ruth--yes, I've found that the search function is pretty finicky.  I've started using Amazon to find a book's ISBN, then entering the number into the PBS search.  There have been some books that I've only found by ISBN, even though I typed the author or title in correctly.

There's probably no absolutely fair way of distributing WL books, but I believe the current way discourages new members.  And new members are great for getting new books into the system. 

Denise--I'm sure you're right that the economy has slowed things down.  Books are a "want", not a "need," and most people have access to some sort of library.  I've had one sender PM to ask if it was okay if she sent the book late because she had just lost her job and wasn't sure she had the finances to buy postage.



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Date Posted: 9/10/2009 5:46 PM ET
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I've received 89 Wish List books since I joined. (You can see your Wish List stats on the FABIL page) The lines do move ... some of them slower than others, granted, but I am just now coming to the top of some of the books I added when I first joined.

I have also sent out more WL books than I have received. But that doesn't bother me ... because most of the WL books that I have sent are not rare books .. they are just rare on PBS. For example, the Sookie Stackhouse WL ... I see those books everywhere I go... within the next 2-4 years, those will be books that have 500 copies in the system. I have no problem sending them out because I am absolutely positive that if I want to re-read them ... I will be able to get them on PBS (most likely in a deal),  or even from the thrift store .. once the demand for them falls off a little (and, it will).  My library is already withdrawing, and selling in the FOL store, extra copies of her books that they had purchased when the demand was extremely high.

Date Posted: 9/10/2009 5:57 PM ET
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I always find it interesting to hear that people on SwapADVD get WL DVDs. Nearly every DVD I sent out over there was a WL one (most of them were actually seasons of TV shows) and in the time I was there never once received a WL'd DVD and most times wound up moving back on the lines (and I only ever had 10 dvds on my WL at the most). Now I use SwapaDVD to get rid of DVDs and transfer my credits to here where I can use them.

I didn't even have WL'd books when I first joined here. I mean I sent a  lot out but never once did I have an idea of adding books to the WL. I don't even think I realized it existed for a few weeks. I mean, there are tons of books here I want to read that aren't WL'd. Now I have my WL nearly full and that's plenty of books for me. I can't imagine worrying about trying to rank more than about 25 books (heck 10 DVDs was bad enough).


I find that it's the books with the fewest wishers that  I tend  to move more slowly on than the ones with upwards of 50 wishers.

Date Posted: 9/11/2009 12:28 AM ET
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Marsha,  I looked through your WL.  You have quite an eclectic list.  You have books that have a limited audience (considering the general membership here), books printed by university presses which are limited usually in number issued, and many hardbacks that might or might not be posted these days beause of the weight of them costing more in postage than a credit can be bought.  I sAw a few where there were only 1 on the WL, and I have to assume that you are that one.  There are many people here interested in history and those books are usually highly WL'd - but you might try checking out the genre forums for all the specialized books you want.  Few members will list a set of books because a set only is worth 1 credit.  So members will go to that  genre forum or to the BB and offer to mail so many of the books of a set for 1 credit apiece.

You have to remember that most of the members here aren't going to be interested in science/mathematics theory or obscure history for their reading entertainment.  I'm not saying that these books never get posted, but the odds are that they are listed much less frequently.  Please go post on those genre forums that you are actively looking for whichever books you really want, and it may be that some kindred soul will remember that they have that book(s) that they've never listed thinking no one would want it/them.

You also have  several books just published this year and some not to come until next year.  So with the exception of the few Redwall books - which you want in hardback, the James Herriot books - also HC, and a couple of other sci/fi (?) books - I don't think that the new WL would help you at all.  Audio Taped books are in high demand, I grant you.

Ruth

Date Posted: 9/11/2009 7:28 AM ET
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Ruth--You're right, I have an unusual wishlist.  It also contains wishes from my husband and teenage sons.  Most of the hardcovers are those we have well-worn paperbacks of, and would like a hardcover copy to keep.  So those I'm more than willing to wait on.  Also, the books that aren't yet published I may well buy new for Christmas/birthday presents after they come out.  I really don't expect to get those from PBS, but I had room on my WL, so added them just in case.

What you don't see on the list are the books I didn't put on because the WL was so long (and slow-moving) for those books.  I've bought several on Amazon when I could find used copies there cheap.

I have looked over the science and technology board, but it doesn't seem active.  The last post was several weeks old the last time I looked.  I've had reasonably good luck with getting mathematics books from the browser or from the "books posted today" list.  These books aren't posted often, but at least there are few people snapping them up.  I've gotten a couple of books from a woman whose recently deceased father was a mathematician.

I still think the new wishlist will help me.  I have an usual WL over at swapaDVD also, but I've been able to rank the more popular DVDs higher and get them sooner and the less popular (but still WL'ed) DVDs lower and still get them because there's less competition. Just today, I was offered a WL DVD about Isaac Newton, the creator of calculus.  I like toying with my DVD wishlist but that's probably the mathematician in me:)!

Date Posted: 9/11/2009 11:41 AM ET
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ROFL Marsha, and those of us that aren't mathematically gifted are paranoid about being out-manuvered for wishlisted books by you smart people!  That's probably the main reason the proposed ranking system is fairly unpopular with PBS members.



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Date Posted: 9/11/2009 12:32 PM ET
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Denise--When the new WL is implemented, I'll help you optimize your list.  Even though we have some of the same Brian Jacques books WL'ed.

The DVD WL gives you points based on rank and how long you've had the DVD listed.  I'm hoping and expecting that PBS will come up with some way to give points to those who have current wishlists when they switch over.  It certainly wouldn't be fair if you had to start with nothing.

Date Posted: 9/11/2009 2:01 PM ET
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Thanks Marsha, that's a very kind offer to assist the mathmatically challenged  :)  ....not to mention brave!  I'll make a big note of your thoughtful offer tho! 

Unfortunately, if TPTB impliments the portion of the proposed changes that allows line-jumping, I'll probably swap elsewhere. It's my understanding that the average SwapADVD wishlist is alot shorter than the average PBS wishlist.  Like many members, my wishlist is full with a similar number on my Reminder List that are rotated in as space allows and priorities change.  Under a ranking system, we figure alot of time would be required to maintain and update wishlist rankings.  Many of our fellow members only have a short time each day online to access their PBS account, making ranking updates and manipulation difficult.  And there's very little about line-jumping that feels fair....

...anyway, no need for my soapbox on a Friday!  These issues have been much discussed and disected since the proposed changes were announced....lots of discussion threads devoted to these discussions in fact.   IIRC, the last word from TPTB was there was no rush.

Happy Friday!!!



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Date Posted: 9/11/2009 2:03 PM ET
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I know that the WL has probably gotten longer since the economy turned bad.  Everyone needs to find ways to save money and PBS is a great way to do that.  One way that everyone could help get those WLs down a litte is to BUY a new book here and there.  I don't buy books very often but once in a while there is a book that I want really badly and the WL is a hundred miles long so I decide to splurge, knowing that if I read it soon I will get another much needed credit by sending it to someone who has it on their WL.  It helps keep the variety of books at a large number and helps people get books on their WL sooner.  All books that arrive in the mail are TREATS but getting a NEW one once in a while is the icing on the cake.  I also like sending them off to other people because I know it is going to make someone happy!

 

Happy Reading!

Date Posted: 9/11/2009 2:06 PM ET
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True Sheila, I often add wishlisted books to the system in addition to those I've received from PBS.  Either UBS finds, or occassional new purchases :)  There's a few authors I just can't resist long enough to wait for a used copy!!

ETA - this thread has some possible information on timeline

Topic: ??New Wish List



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