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Subject: Wishlist estimates
Date Posted: 6/2/2010 10:39 PM ET
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Only 5 of the 114 books on my wishlist have a time estimate associated with them!  Is it just me?  I'm just wondering what other people's experiences are.

 

I suppose there is a distinct possibility that I just have a super geeky wishlist with pretty uncommon books on it...



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Date Posted: 6/2/2010 10:50 PM ET
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I think only about 20-30 of mine have estimates. I have somewhere around 130 on my WL.

Date Posted: 6/2/2010 11:08 PM ET
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Of the 105 books on my WL, only 5 have estimates. Some books have been on my WL since 2005, and I have been 1 of 1 the whole time. Geeky books here too.

mistie -
Date Posted: 6/3/2010 3:59 AM ET
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My wishlist is similar - very few have estimates.

My assumption is that only wishlisted books that are posted farily regularly have estimates. With some of mine - I'm happy just to get a date that they have ever been posted LOL.

Date Posted: 6/3/2010 6:59 AM ET
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I have a very active WL and I still have a lot that don't show an estimate. 

Having looked at your WL-I think that most of those are books that just aren't traded very often.  They're probably more expensive to purchase and more likely to be resold on ebay or somewhere. 

Date Posted: 6/3/2010 7:07 AM ET
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Uber geek here.smiley 200 books, not a single estimate!

Tina D. (tinad) - ,
Date Posted: 6/3/2010 12:09 PM ET
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I have about 164 and maybe 20 have an estimate.  But watching those estimates can drive you crazy!  One minute it looks like you are in line to receive at least one book or more within a week and then BAM - next thing you know, it either drops back by a few weeks or the estimate disappears altogether. 

A few weeks ago, I had about 5 books with an estimate of 1 week. I was sooo excited.  Now, of those books, a couple have dropped to 2-4 weeks and at least 2 have dropped the estimate completely.  :(

And lately, I've had a couple of wish list books that haven't had estimates in forever, become available.  Go figure!  :)

Date Posted: 6/3/2010 1:30 PM ET
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I know the last posted date is caused by a person putting a book on their TBR list instead of removing it from the system.  Are the estimates also influenced by that?  They are based on how recently a book was posted. 

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Date Posted: 6/3/2010 5:47 PM ET
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Seems to me that estimates are only given to books that have been posted within the last 7 days.  But some books that have been posted in the last 7 days don't have estimates.

Date Posted: 6/3/2010 7:57 PM ET
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I have 200 books on my WL (some on hold) and only have 19 estimates. It happens. Amazingly, I get the non-estimate books about as often as the ones with estimates.

Date Posted: 6/3/2010 11:28 PM ET
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Dropping off the list altogether!  Interesting!  I'd love to know the "secret sauce" for determining the wait time estimates!

Date Posted: 6/3/2010 11:29 PM ET
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I love it ChaNoir!  What a COOL wishlist!  :-)  And yours too Poncer!  I really should stop looking--I'm just adding to mine in the process!  LOL



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Date Posted: 6/30/2010 1:47 AM ET
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I have about 164 and maybe 20 have an estimate.  But watching those estimates can drive you crazy!  One minute it looks like you are in line to receive at least one book or more within a week and then BAM - next thing you know, it either drops back by a few weeks or the estimate disappears altogether. 

A few weeks ago, I had about 5 books with an estimate of 1 week. I was sooo excited.  Now, of those books, a couple have dropped to 2-4 weeks and at least 2 have dropped the estimate completely.  :(

 

That happened to me just tonight!  I watched the estimate get closer and closer, and now the book says N/A instead of one week.  What happened? And why?  I was under the impression that the reason for a WL at all was so you could see where you stood in some kind of waiting line.  Now I don't think it can be trusted!  Can anyone explain this?  Or should I just ignore the WL all together?   :(     D.

Date Posted: 6/30/2010 2:08 AM ET
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The estimates are a rather new feature.  They are also using data that is already in the system, rather than a new collection of info or new software.  That's why the side effect of the last posted date disappearing if a book isn't put on hold on the bookshelf.  I'm pleased to have any data, as we had none for so long. 

But watching it too closely can make me nuts.  Just like watching that little truck.  Patience.  Must have patience.

Date Posted: 6/30/2010 3:43 AM ET
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It seems to me that estimates are both based on a book being posted in the past week as well as more than one copy being posted at some time interval in the past.

I have a mix of books that will say "Wishes Granted Last Week: 1"  where the estimate is still N/A. Others with the same amount of wishes granted have an estimate.

So, I think if only 1 book was posted and the book does not really have much posting history, the system will still say N/A for the estimate. If the book is posted and has also been posted recently enough or enough times to have some kind of consistency, then it gets an estimate.

At least, that is how it seems to me. I've been on a lot of WLs for unpublished books and when the books start to be posted, it will say N/A for the first few books posted, until it hits that "magic combo" of whatever it is that PBS is measuring, and then it will keep its estimate, at least for a while.

Date Posted: 6/30/2010 8:26 AM ET
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I just put them on there and I get them when I get them.  I only pay attention if it's a series I'm reading and I'm going to make an Amazon order or I have a Borders coupon.  Then I'll look where I am for any series books that are on my WL. 

 

If if the estimates were were consistant-there's still be no way for the system to know when the book will be offered to you.  There might be 6 copies of a book posted one week which makes it look every active.  But then it might be 3 months before another copy is posted throwing off the estimates. 

Date Posted: 6/30/2010 8:36 AM ET
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Date Posted: 6/30/2010 8:37 AM ET
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Not too geeky-in fact I added one of yours to my own wish list.

I don't pay too much attention to the estimates. In fact, I just got an offer of a really obscure one, I hope it all goes through smoothly!

Date Posted: 6/30/2010 11:42 PM ET
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My question isn't necessarily about estimates.  It is about how a book can go from a one week wait to essentially nothing...  Guess it's just a mystery in the system?  Most of my WL  books are wanted, but not urgently (the TBR pile is big enough!)  This just happened to be one that I am REALLY looking forward to - it's a follow up to another one that was pretty good, and I was pretty excited about only one week.   Guess we just have to suck it up and wait... 

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Date Posted: 7/1/2010 10:43 AM ET
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gardngal - I have a couple like that. They get posted about every other week, so one week I'm #6 on the wish list and have an estimate of 6 weeks. The next week, no estimate at all. Then the following week, another copy is posted, so I'm #5 on the wish list with 5 weeks to go, even though 2 weeks ago, the estimate was 6 weeks. I have a Math degree, and it's still enough to make my head spin sometimes!

The one that really gets me though is the 646 week estimate I have for one version of "The Girl Who Kicked the Hornet's Nest". If the wait is going to be over 10 years, they could probably just consider that the same as N/A. laugh

Date Posted: 7/1/2010 10:45 AM ET
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 It is about how a book can go from a one week wait to essentially nothing...  Guess it's just a mystery in the system?  

Is it a book that could be made into a movie soon? I have one that is going to be a movie and it said I only had a week to wait for it (it was actually on my RL but then when I got the credits to get it, it had to move to my WL) and that was 2 months ago. 

There are other books that simply just get a lot of copies posted in one week and then when no one else is posting copies the next week, you drop back down to N/A or to a longer estimate. For example, there is one book that says I should be offered in a week, but I was also only 1 week away about 2 weeks ago when there was 8 copies posted into the system. Now it's being posted again (maybe those same people have read it and are reposting?) so my estimate has gone back to one week.

Date Posted: 7/1/2010 1:37 PM ET
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Wow, Amee!  I guess that means the WL is pretty well useless as a tool to see where you stand!!!  Guess I'll stop watching it and just wait for the offer.  But that was sort of fun for  the anticipation.  There have been some that I just went ahead and bought to add to the TBR list. 

Do any of you read WL books first?  I've seen statements that say "I read what I want and ignore the WL" but that seems sort of mean!  If I have a book that's on someone else's WL, then I make it a priority to read that one first, b/c I know they are waiting for it.  Some of the books I requested when I first joined are still sitting here - LOL.  But what if the person buys the book, they won't want it anymore and I'll be stuck with it, so it's better to get it back into the system, right?  Is that a good method for a large TBR?

 

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Date Posted: 7/1/2010 4:16 PM ET
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Only about 3-5% of my (almost full) WL has estimates.  Most of my list is OOP books, and I'm at 1 or 2 for dozens of them, but there's no telling if or when they will ever come up. 

I guess that means the WL is pretty well useless as a tool to see where you stand!!!  Guess I'll stop watching it and just wait for the offer. 

Not useless, no.  It helps you manage your credits.  You can sort your WL by estimate, and therefore see which books are actually moving.  Your position in line doesn't mean nearly as much as how fast the line is moving.  The estimate is especially helpful for books that are actually moving rather quickly.  If all I looked at was my place in line, I wouldn't know that books where I'm at 12, or 25, are likely to be available in a couple weeks, and I'll need to have credits availale for them.  Meanwhile dozens of other books where I'm 1 and 2 never move, and it's purely random whether any of them come up.



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Date Posted: 7/1/2010 4:59 PM ET
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Do any of you read WL books first?  I've seen statements that say "I read what I want and ignore the WL" but that seems sort of mean!  If I have a book that's on someone else's WL, then I make it a priority to read that one first, b/c I know they are waiting for it.  Some of the books I requested when I first joined are still sitting here - LOL.  But what if the person buys the book, they won't want it anymore and I'll be stuck with it, so it's better to get it back into the system, right?  Is that a good method for a large TBR?

Well I suppose if you never keep your books then that would be a good method. 

I don't do it that way though. I keep most of the books I get here and trade ones I get from family and friends or ones I've had for years and no longer want. Sometimes I repost a book, but it's been only a few. I just read what I want when I want it.  I don't think it's mean because it's my book to do what I want with. It has no ties to the system for me.

Date Posted: 7/1/2010 6:10 PM ET
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I read what I feel like reading and don't make my self a slave to the WL.  I have 30 credits built up now so instead of reading WL books I've been reading my books that are heavily posted and series books I needed from the library.  I tried being a WL slave when I first joined and I missed just reading a book because it's what I'm in the mood to read.  I don't think anyone should feel guilty for that either.  I generally have about 150 WL TBR books at one time. 

 

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