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Subject: I just had the worst experience I ever had here.....
Date Posted: 2/12/2008 11:43 AM ET
Member Since: 1/10/2006
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I have done lots of deals in the Bazaar  since I joined here and never had a problem. Buddying credits to someone having a deal was no big thing.  Well, that is, until now.  I answered a post in the Bazaar that was posted on Dec. 12 abouyt some Joyce Meyer books on tape that another member had.  I chose three and she sent a pm to me telling me that she had several of her dvd's also and asked if I would like any of those and I said yes and we worked out a deal. Some of the ones she had I already had but thought I could give them to one of my friends who would like them. So when all was said and done, the total of all the tapes and dvd's came to 14 credits which I buddied her on the 13th of Dec. She pm'd me and said she would send them out priority the next day. I told her that priority wasn't necessary and that media mail would be fine. I knew that according to her profile her husband was overseas in the military and she had three small children.

Wel,l a whole month passed and no sign of the things arriving so I pm'd her and asked if she had mailed them yet. She told me that she had just got out of the hospital but she was so terribly sorry and that she would send them out to me the next day. Well, now another month has passed. This morning I was going to send her a PM and find that ----yes, you guessed it----she is no longer a member. I have always tried to treat others the way I would like to be treated --with honesty and respect like many of the members do here. Sometimes, I forget that not everyone is like that. Knowing that I have lost the 14 credits is hard. But knowing that another member would do that to another is something I find really sad. Other people wanted some of her other tapes. I hope she did send theirs.

I know that R & R can't do anything about it. But I was wondering---do you think I should at least let them know what I have experienced in case she should choose to join again?

Date Posted: 2/12/2008 11:46 AM ET
Member Since: 1/8/2007
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Report it, including all the PM's dates, etc. that you can. I'm so sorry this happened to you. :(

Date Posted: 2/12/2008 11:50 AM ET
Member Since: 12/23/2005
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I would tell them what happened. Maybe they can help.

Date Posted: 2/12/2008 11:50 AM ET
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oh that is painful beyond words.... all those credits :  (.  How awful for you.  Reporting it can't hurt, but probably won't help much in terms of credit retrieval.  Sigh...its always so sad when people are not honorable.

Date Posted: 2/12/2008 11:58 AM ET
Member Since: 10/24/2007
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That is awful!  I'm sorry you had to deal with that.  Most PBSers are wonderful!  Maybe R&R will be able to refund your credits if she didn't spend them before leaving (although that's probably a lot to hope for).  Definitely report it though!

Date Posted: 2/12/2008 12:20 PM ET
Member Since: 2/8/2007
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Oh Diane,

Reading this just broke my heart and to think that it was Joyce Meyer materials as well.  I don't have any of her stuff but I will be on the lookout at the sales and such for you.

And you sure do need to report this to R & R if you haven't already.

Sending you a hug!

Paula

 

Date Posted: 2/12/2008 12:24 PM ET
Member Since: 8/23/2007
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Well technically this is an under the table deal so they won't be able to help you.  If they aren't a member anymore than there's nothing they can do.  I don't think they would anyway because it wasn't an official transaction. 

Next time, although I suspect you won't be doing anything similar again: order some of the books/audios to cover the credits agreed upon.  Then if you never get them, you'll at least get those creditd back. Because there'll be an official PBS record of the transaction. 

ETA: go ahead and report it in case her account was suspended for inactivity or something. If she was in the hospital and gets her account back, they need to know. Maybe when her medical crisis is over she'll send them afterall. 



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Date Posted: 2/12/2008 12:33 PM ET
Member Since: 1/2/2006
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That really stinks. I'm sorry this happen to you. I would report this to R&R, as someone stated above send all the PM's between the two of you. You may not get your credits back, but this member has to be reported. Who knows maybe her account was suspended and there are credits remaining and you may be able to have some recourse. Good luck.

Date Posted: 2/12/2008 6:37 PM ET
Member Since: 2/16/2006
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This is a great example of why these types of trades are not allowed here.  You can PM R&R to give them a heads up about this member, but since you technically broke the rules, there really isn't much they can do.

Date Posted: 2/12/2008 8:07 PM ET
Member Since: 11/10/2005
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That completely SUCKS! I can believe it thoug. You have to keep in mind that ANYONE can join a website and the internet is full of scumbags. Be careful, and never give someone THAT many credits in an unofficial deal! *HUGS*

Date Posted: 2/12/2008 8:31 PM ET
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Oh my gosh, that's awful....14 credits down the drain.  I really wonder how people can look at themselves in the mirror sometimes.....

Date Posted: 2/12/2008 9:22 PM ET
Member Since: 8/26/2006
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As Mary mentioned, it is possible that her account has been suspended, and that she'll be reinstated when she gets things straightened out.  And as everyone else said, be sure to report this.  Click on "Help Center" and then "Contact the PBS team."

I'm really sorry this happened Diane.  My heart goes out to you.

Date Posted: 2/12/2008 10:13 PM ET
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How sad for you!  that really has to suck.  I'm sorry that she did this to you.  Sounds like she should re-read those Joyce Meyer books a bit shouldn't she?

Date Posted: 2/13/2008 12:12 AM ET
Member Since: 8/13/2006
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I have one Joyce Meyer book on my bookshelf.  If you would like it, I'll send it to you.  I don't care for her much myself, but somewhere I picked up one of her books.  PM and let me know.

Dawn

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Date Posted: 2/13/2008 1:07 AM ET
Member Since: 9/5/2005
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Definitely report it.

What a slimeball.

 

Date Posted: 2/13/2008 8:58 AM ET
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For an update:

 I was told that her account has been suspended until she answers some questions about some of the transactions in her account. So guess I wasn't the only one. Hopefully we all will eventually get the items we ordered.

And are these deals really not allowed here when offered in the bazaar? I have done several from other members and have never seen them  stopped by R & R---    mostly it is  items that do not have isbn numbers and the person can't post them.  And the bazaar at swapadvd is loaded with such deals.

And in the message I received from R., he never said that I had done anything against the site and the rules and I have given him all the details of this transaction including pm dates between the other member and myself.



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Date Posted: 2/13/2008 9:10 AM ET
Member Since: 4/25/2006
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I'm no expert, but I don't think you broke any rules.  The bazaar is set up for people to make deals apart from the FIFO.  Why would they have the bazaar if it was against the rules?  JMO

Date Posted: 2/13/2008 9:17 AM ET
Member Since: 10/24/2007
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And are these deals really not allowed here when offered in the bazaar?

I was confused by this too, but I just checked out the help center and it says that only books can be posted in the book bazaar.  Since your deal included DVDs, that's probably what Danielle was talking about.  I'm glad you got R&R involved - hope it all works out!

Date Posted: 2/13/2008 9:18 AM ET
Member Since: 8/16/2007
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Transactions that are behind the scenes are frowned on because it is so easy to ignore the rules on what can be traded here and how. All books can be posted, even non-ISBN books, it just takes a little more work that people aren't willing to do.  I wonder her account was frozen because of both the number and size of transactions like yours. Because it is not going through the system there is no way for R&R to know if she is really asking for more than the allowed credits per book. For all they can see you could have buddied her 14 credits for 2 books. Someone wanting to do large transactions without posting the items into the system and getting credit buddied smells like a rat. Hopefully she is on the up and up with just too many orders cancelled while she was in the hospital, and now that she is healthier your stuff will come soon.

Date Posted: 2/13/2008 9:20 AM ET
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Transactions that are behind the scenes are frowned on

Sorry, I have to respectfully disagree with you on this.  Why do you think the book bazaar exists?

Date Posted: 2/13/2008 9:25 AM ET
Member Since: 7/31/2007
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somewhere I thought I read that there is a limit of credits that can be "buddied" before it sends up a red flag and R&R have to check out the person's account.  For all they know it could be someone scamming members....and in this case that may be true...hope not.

Date Posted: 2/13/2008 10:00 AM ET
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Date Posted: 2/13/2008 1:53 PM ET
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Count me in with the folks that don't see that OP did anything wrong.  Book Bazaar exists for exactly this reason, for deals and non-FIFO transactions.  The only thing wrong here is that OP's transaction partner didn't honor their agreements and is now unreachable to make things right.  I hope that with the PM trail that R&R will be able to do something to help out...

Date Posted: 2/13/2008 2:59 PM ET
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Transactions that are behind the scenes are frowned on

Sorry, I have to respectfully disagree with you on this.  Why do you think the book bazaar exists?

I do not think that the book bazaar exists to arrange behind the scenes deals. It is to highlight your SHELF, as in things postable and posted on the site. One of the ways is to offer deals or free unpostable books with orders from your shelf.  It is not to broker large deals of things that someone cannot/should not/do not want to list on their shelf. Small infrequent transactions probably aren't a big deal, but I would put money on R&R getting rid of the BB if it became overrun with people just looking to swap things by going around the system instead of through it for the reason this transaction is pointing out, when they go wrong. The system has methods to deal with problem transactions. Had the 14 credits been paid through the system, they would return to the OP when the books were not mailed on time, or when they went lost in the system of the sender marked them mailed. Now R&R is asked to step in and try to straighten a transaction out that was set up to circumvent the system. Makes a mess that didn't have to be.

I don't fault the OP for trusting the person and setting up a deal to get a lot of items she wanted and save the sender postage and it really sucks that she may be out 14 credits. I do think that it is a shining example of why this type of transaction should be few and far between and people entering in to them should understand that R&R may not be willing to step in and do anything about it. Hopefully it can be straightened out and the OP is not out the credits without getting what she ordered, but what a mess.

Date Posted: 2/13/2008 7:02 PM ET
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Count me in with the folks that don't see that OP did anything wrong.

The site does not allow the trading of any items other than books for credits.  You can't trade videos or DVDs for credits here.  If someone wants to trade DVDs for credits, that's what Swapadvd.com is for. 

Additionally, you can't ask for more than one credit per book. So, there really isn't a need to "buddy" 14 (or any) credits to another member in connection with a legitimate trade.  All postable books can be listed in the system, with or without an ISBN number.   The book bazaar allows you to offer more than one book or other freebies with an order from your shelf, but credits in those types of transactions are also exchanged through the system. 

The OP said "So when all was said and done, the total of all the tapes and dvd's came to 14 credits"  That implied that she had agreed to trade DVDs for credits, something that is specifically not allowed here.   If the other member would have included the DVDs as a freebie with a legitimate order from her shelf, that would have been allowed, but that's obviously not what happened, or she would have ordered the items from the OPs shelf, or the OP would have posted them to her WL.

I think it's terrible what happend here.  The other member made a deal to do something and then didn't follow through.  I'm just saying that situations like this can be avoided if everyone follows the rules.



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