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Subject: Yellowed pages and some stains - is it considered good condition?
Date Posted: 6/17/2009 2:20 AM ET
Member Since: 4/20/2009
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I'm new, and have only made two swaps. The second was a paperback (I received) with very deeply yellowed pages, and some stains on the pages. Does this fall into the category of good condition? I gave the swapper credit for sending it, especially since they prompted me for giving them credit, but I admit I don't like the book. It seems awfully used - I don't like getting other peoples stains. I don't know what it is. Yuck. :(
Date Posted: 6/17/2009 2:27 AM ET
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Yellowing of pages due to age are within guidelines but stains r not allowed.

Book Condition Criteria for 'Swappability' at PBS

When you Post a book, you are asked to confirm that the book is "in good condition, and not excessively worn".  It is impossible to list all of the ways in which a book might be considered excessively worn, but the criteria below are as comprehensive as we have been able to make them.

If you feel your book falls into a "grey area", you can either post the book and send a Personal Message to the requestor, or not post the book.  We have delineated what we can, and we expect members to follow these guidelines, and use their common sense in cases that are unclear.  If you would not mind "paying" a credit for a book you are considering posting, then it is probably okay to post.  However, book condition can be a subjective matter.  Keep in mind that a pattern of sending out poor-condition or inappropriate books will jeopardize a sender's membership.

These Guidelines are not suggestions.  They are criteria to which all books Posted here MUST comply.

All of the information below apply both to swapping for credits and Box-O-Books swapping.

General remarks:

  • This is a used-book swapping site; books are not expected to be in like-new condition.
    • Older books may have some page yellowing or spine-creasing or dogeared pages; these are all OKAY.
    • Decirculated library books may have various markings and/or stamps inside or outside or on the page edges of the book; this is OKAY.  These may not obscure text.
    • BookCrossing books may have stickers or stamps or markings on the outside or inside covers or page edges of the book; this is OKAY. These may not obscure text.
    • Hardbacks do NOT have to include their dustjackets.
    • Audiobooks MUST be the original cassettes/CDs, but do NOT have to include the outer "box" that held the set.
    • Audiobooks must be playable.
    • There is an exception to general condition guidelines for textbooks; see below.
    • There is an exception to general condition guidelines for cookbooks; see below.
  • We do NOT have a place for members to describe the condition of a particular copy of a book.
    • ALL books on PBS are expected to be in "good, not excessively worn" condition
    • Books are requested in FIFO (first-in, first-out) order
  • If you would like your books to be in "better-than-PBS" condition :
    • You are responsible for setting Requestor Conditions on your account.

Guidelines:                                                                                                                                       

Overall Condition:

  • No damage at all from water or other liquid
  • Not soiled
  • No stains (exception for cookbooks--see below)
  • No mold
  • no highlighting, underlining or writing on text pages (exception for textbooks --see below)

Dust Jacket:

  • The DUST JACKET (this is not the same as the cover of a book) does not have to be included with a book at all, unless the requestor had this in their Requestor Conditions. 
  • So DUST JACKET condition cannot be considered as part of the condition of a book, unless there were Requestor Conditions on the request specifying that the dust jacket be included.
  • If the Dust Jacket was to be included as specified in the Requestor Conditions on the request, the Dust Jacket must meet the same conditions as defined for the cover, below.

Cover:

  • Must both be present (front and back)
    • note that a paperback missing its front cover is  usually an illegal, unsold copy
    • "cover" does not = dust jacket.  Hardcovers do not need to include their dust jackets to be swapped here.
  • Cover not water damaged (there may be no water damage to any part of the book)
  • Cover not torn or chewed/gnawed
    • some used book stores cut out a small part of the cover; if the amount missing is less than 1 inch, this is OKAY
    • a small rip (less than 1 inch) in the cover is OKAY
    • yes, that does say "chewed/gnawed" above.  That means no pet-chewed (or human-chewed) books.
  • A bookplate inside the cover or on the flyleaf is OKAY

Binding:

  • Must be intact, with no separation on the inside or outside of the book
  • If the book tends to open at a particular page, this is OKAY
  • Small amount of fraying or denting at top or bottom is OKAY

Pages:

  • No torn or chewed/gnawed pages
    • yes, that does say "chewed/gnawed".  That means no pet-chewed (or human-chewed) books.
  • No loose or missing text pages
  • Cover not water damaged (there may be no water damage to any part of the book)
  • No writing or highlighting or underlining on text pages
    • a signature or note on the flyleaf or inside front or back cover is OKAY
    • an author's signature on the title page is OKAY
    • writing or highlighting or underlining on the text pages is NOT OKAY
      • Exception: if it is a textbook or workbook, these are expected to have highlighting/underlining/writing
        • if you post a textbook/workbook, the condition must be described to the requestor in a Personal Message
        • AND the described condition MUST BE AGREED TO in a reply PM before the book is sent
        • This is the one of the ONLY two cases in which a PM exchange about a book is required before the book can be sent(the other is for cookbooks--see below).
  • No staining

    • Exception: Cookbooks may have some mild staining, since these are used in the kitchen and while cooking, and some minor degree of staining could be expected in a used cookbook.  Also a small amount of writing in cookbooks could be expected
    • HOWEVER, if you post a cookbook and it is stained and/or written-in, the condition must be described to the requestor in a Personal Message
    • AND the described condition MUST BE AGREED TO in a reply PM before the book is sent
    • This is the one of the ONLY two cases in which a PM exchange about a book is required before the book can be sent (the other is for textbooks--see above).
    • this exception applies to the covers of cookbooks also.
  • Page edges: remainder marks are OK.  A name written on the page edges is okay (if it does not bleed in and obscure text on the text pages)

Audiobooks

  • Audiobooks must be originals--not copies! 
    • Copies are illegal.  Swapping illegal materials here will get you expelled from the club.
    • burned audio downloads are not permitted on the site--these could be legal (being the only copies you made), but since there is no way to verify this, they are not permitted.
  • Audiobooks do NOT have to include the box that enclosed the individual cassettes/CDs
    • The audiobooks should be packaged well if the box is missing, to prevent damage by USPS en route
    • Audio CDs must be shipped in CD cases/DVD cases, to protect them from scratching, if the original box is missing
  • Audiobooks must be playable to be swapped here, without more than two (minor) skips.

Interactive books

  • These include popup books and children's books that have interactive functions (LEDs, sounds, etc).
  • The functions must be working (popups not torn, sounds/lights functional etc).

Supplementary/Accompanying Materials:

  • Books that require supplementary Media materials MAY be posted

    • supplementary Media materials include CD(s)/CD-ROMs/DVD(s)/VHS tape(s)
    • if the book originally included supplementary Media materials, the supplementary materials must accompany the book for the book to be postable.
  • Books that require non-Media supplementary materials MAY NOT be posted

    • an example would be a book that requires a decoder or craft materials
    • these items cannot be sent MediaMail
  • Books that originally had accompanying non-Media materials that are not required to read the book (ie, jewelry) MAY be posted.
    • The extra material does not have to be included, and if it is included, the book must not be sent using Media mail rate.

 



Last Edited on: 6/17/09 2:31 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 6/17/2009 2:30 AM ET
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Thank you for letting me know. In the future if I receive a book with stains, what should I do? (I won't do anything about this one as it is too late and I felt embarassed to complain)
Date Posted: 6/17/2009 2:35 AM ET
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wrong link so i edited

answers to all your questions are found in the help documents...just click on help center tab at the top of the page.  There are also numerous threads with the same questions.



Last Edited on: 6/17/09 2:35 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 6/17/2009 2:41 AM ET
Member Since: 4/20/2009
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I've decided to give up swapping - I thought books had to be in better condition.
Date Posted: 6/17/2009 3:03 AM ET
Member Since: 12/28/2006
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That's unfortunate Wren, PBS is a fun place :-)  And probably 80% of the books I receive are in excellent to like new condition, but that may depend on your favorite genre and what you request.



Last Edited on: 6/17/09 3:04 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 6/17/2009 3:13 AM ET
Member Since: 12/9/2007
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Books are supposed to be in good used condition.  Stains, water damage, tears (for the most part), etc. aren't considered postable conditions.  When/if you get a book like this you are supposed to mark it RWAP (received with a problem).  You are supposed to use the PBS check in survey as a way to let the sender know what is wrong, to ask for your credit to be returned, and to respond to your message within a certain number of days.  You also use that form (at the bottom) to let PBS know what the problem(s) are.    Most people do not send books in poor condition.  We members are the quality control for the site, and we aren't supposed to let members get by with sending these out.  I hope you will reconsider and stick it out a little longer.

Ruth

Date Posted: 6/17/2009 4:41 AM ET
Member Since: 7/19/2008
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But I've also sent 30 and 40 year old out of print paperbacks.  Yellow pages and these rust like spects would be expected when someone orders a book that old.  I will PM the person to point out the age of the book, giving them extra time if they want to cancel.  Mine have been in great shape for their age.   And knowing that they are going out to be loved once again has helped me let them go.

Those age spots are very different than stains.   Stains and water damage should not be here.  Sorry you had a bad experience.  That is not typical.

Date Posted: 6/17/2009 9:13 AM ET
Member Since: 6/21/2007
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