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Subject: Amazon.com
Date Posted: 11/18/2010 5:05 PM ET
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Am I the only one who finds the the new amazon.com tags a little intrusive?  I don't mind them on the main page of a book.  But to have them after each title on my wish list and reminder list is somewhat irritating.  If I want to buy a book from Amazon, I will.  I don't need to be reminded by PBS.

I hope PBS got a nice sum for the advertising.

Date Posted: 11/18/2010 5:09 PM ET
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I hope they do also. Better than paying for the use of the site.

Date Posted: 11/18/2010 5:12 PM ET
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I hope they do also. Better than paying for the use of the site.

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Date Posted: 11/18/2010 5:14 PM ET
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Doesn't bother me much.  But then I seldom even look at my wish list except to delete a book I've gotten from a swap.

Date Posted: 11/18/2010 5:19 PM ET
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I don't mind. I don't visit my WL often enough to be bothered by it.

And it does remind me that if I buy through this site PBS benefits. I sometimes forget to go through here when I know I'm going to order something.

Personally, I'd rather adds to keep the site free than a membership fee, which would drive a lot of people away.

Date Posted: 11/18/2010 5:21 PM ET
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I hate them.  Don't mind the little A link under the banner.  But really hate these huge ones.  Hate the politics of it.  Small bookstores are going under right and left.  And there is a huge corporate logo on one of my fave sites.  Yuck.  Hate it.

Date Posted: 11/18/2010 5:26 PM ET
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PBS has been an Amazon affiliate for a long time. No doubt the commissions from our Amazon purchases help fund this site. I have no quarrel with the links. I do agree that I prefer the previous link (it was less "Amazony") but the result is the same--PBS gets a cut of each book we purchase on Amazon.

As far as Amazon vs small bookstores, well, PBS is probably not helping small bookstores either. I often shop at my local used book store, but the other bookstores often don't have the titles I am looking for. Oh, if they only did. I am so much about instant gratification (having the book in my hands today), after all! LOL.



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Date Posted: 11/18/2010 5:40 PM ET
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They are definitely intrusive, but I do understand the reason, but if they redesigned the book description page (where it is REALLY screaming at you) to incorporate the Amazon link then I am disappointed because I hate that the whole book description is not available without hitting "read more" if the description is longer than a line or two. I am the exact opposite of Elaine C. -- I don't mind them on the wishlist & reminder pages, but they completely overwhelm the book description pages in my opinion.

Date Posted: 11/18/2010 5:51 PM ET
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Intrusive?

If PBS charged a fee to belong or a fee to swap, I might be annoyed if advertising popped in.  Given that it's a free site (and to my mind a huge gift to readers), if they want to amazon buttons on their site, more power to them. 

Date Posted: 11/18/2010 7:19 PM ET
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I don't like the new buttons--but as others have posted I understand them.  The funny thing about it is that they actually make me less likely to buy something from Amazon, as I find the buttons annoying!

But as Sally W said--I really don't like the fact that I have to hit the "more" button to see all of the description on the book information page now.

Date Posted: 11/18/2010 7:32 PM ET
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If you feel strongly, be sure to let the PBS Team know of your feelings by using the "Contact Us" button at the bottom of any PBS page -- they aren't guaranteed to see your feedback if it is only here in the forums.

Date Posted: 11/18/2010 9:04 PM ET
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I find them overly large and pretty "in your face," but understand the need for site revenue. However, I dislike the secondary step of "more" to see the full description, and think that while yes, revenue is good, things that actually are detrimental to the users pleasure/use of this site aren't so good. With such an Amazon "hard sell," it seems almost as if they are encouraging purchases versus trading.  

Date Posted: 11/18/2010 10:05 PM ET
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I will take these buttons over big banner ads any day. How often do you look at your wishlist?

Date Posted: 11/18/2010 10:08 PM ET
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I didn't even notice them here but then I don't really look at my WL much. Recently on bookmooc they added links and prices to Amazon as well.  Sites like these are expensive to run and having the links to Amazon is better than pop-up ads, big banner ads or fees to use the site.

Date Posted: 11/18/2010 10:23 PM ET
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I appreciate the free status of PBS membership  heart

I'm frequently on my wishlist, and love the Amazon links.  I use them alot to research books...alot, as in almost daily.  It's just so easy to click the link and check the book reviews over at Amazon, star ratings, or check binding, weight, etc.  I'll confess to being a multi-tab girl, and frequently have several PBS and several Amazon tabs open all at the same time.

When other members post comments such as requesting the wrong book or binding, I think 'why didn't you just use the easy Amazon link to double check?"  A recent discussion thread mentioned '12 book dump' (a term new to me).  Another member posted it was a freestanding book display (sans books).  A quick click of the Amazon link confirms the information, height and weight clearly indicate a display not the hardcover book the OP thought she was requesting.  Several days later, the OP still appears confused...hello?  Take some responsibility for your own research and use the dang Amazon link.

ETA - I also use the PBS Amazon link to update my cart over at Amazon, for those auto-buy authors I just don't want to wait for!



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Date Posted: 11/18/2010 10:54 PM ET
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Those "buy from Amazon" buttons have been there with each wish list book for yonks, but they just changed how they look--now they have the more "Amazony" logo thingy on them. No big deal. Much better than something annoying like Google ads or something. And very handy too if I do (on rare occasion) decide to actually order a book new--it's nice that I can help support PBS, a totally free at point of use site!

Cheryl

Date Posted: 11/19/2010 1:43 AM ET
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I'm not sure I like the new buttons (they are a little in your face), but I'm okay with them.  My biggest complaint at the moment is that I am not used to the new redesign of the book details page and therefore don't like it.  *sigh* I'll probably get used to it eventually, and then I won't care, but right now it's bugging me. 

Date Posted: 11/19/2010 1:56 AM ET
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We use Amazon.com so much in our house (I do try to buy from local independent stores when I'm in their area, but I also have a nook now so buying actual books doesn't happen so much anymore--only will do this for beloved authors!) that it is not such a big deal to me about the Amazon logo buttons. In fact, I often forget to use the link--and I really want PBS to remain free because if it doesn't, I don't want to purchase a membership--so maybe seeing the buttons more will remind me to do that when I purchase through Amazon.

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Date Posted: 11/19/2010 2:10 AM ET
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If I were new to the site, I wouldn't notice the difference. The Wish List amazon buttons on the right are hardly noticeable when scanning through book info on the left. The changes benefit PBS, so let's get clicking.

Date Posted: 11/19/2010 2:47 AM ET
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Thiggy wrote: The changes benefit PBS, so let's get clicking.

Indeed! yes

Think of it this way: We pay the same to Amazon whether or not we click from an affiliate (like PBS) link. By clicking from PBS, we allow PBS to have a percentage of the money we spend on the book. That we'd spend anyway. If we go to Amazon.com directly (don't click on a link from PBS) we pay the exact same amount, but Amazon keeps it all (i.e. doesn't pay anything out to an affiliate). 

So as much as you can, whenever you think that you might get something on Amazon, log in to PBS and click on a link from here. You pay the same but you help fund PBS and hopefully keep the membership free. It's win-win.



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Subject: Amazon Associate Commissions
Date Posted: 11/19/2010 7:20 AM ET
Member Since: 5/24/2010
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Realistically, you can earn 4 to 15 percent commissions on Amazon items. Books tend to be 4 to 6 percent. If there are enough purchases per month, PBS could be earning a good sum of money.

Site fees, depending on who they use for domain registry and hosting, can be as low as $5 a month. So theoretically, if people are using the associate links with Amazon to buy books, there is money to be made.

Date Posted: 11/19/2010 7:55 AM ET
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While yes, you can find hosting for $5/month.  I seriously doubt this is the case for PBS.  The site is simply too massive and requires considerably more maintainance than someone simply hosting a personal web page.  The buttons really don't bother me, I'll just have to try to remember to link through here when I do an amazon purchase as I often forget.

Like most people, if this helps offset the cost to maintain the site so it remains free then it is a small thing to suffer through.

Date Posted: 11/19/2010 8:16 AM ET
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For me, it's not even just the trying to offset site fees...the PBS folks are just plain "good people" who give back a lot to the 'community' at large. I say let's support that, and maintain their ability to give back. Go PBS!

Cheryl

Date Posted: 11/19/2010 8:35 AM ET
Member Since: 7/12/2010
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Jeez Louise!

I can't believe all the whining over some friggin buttons or an extra click of a mouse.

-RD

Cathy A. (Cathy) - ,
Date Posted: 11/19/2010 9:29 AM ET
Member Since: 12/27/2005
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Tracevt --

PBS is not hosted for $5 a month. This volume of traffic requires multiple dedicated servers behind a load balancer and a whole lot of disk space is needed to host the databases. Also, images are cached at Akamai which costs money. And programmers usually expect to get paid for their work so they can afford to eat. I think the expenses of running this site every month are probably much higher than you think they are.

Lastly, the company that owns PBS (National Book Swap, LLC) is not a non-profit. Even if the owners are getting rich off Amazon affiliate fees, there's nothing wrong with that.

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