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Subject: Argh.. This RC is tempting me to say no.
Date Posted: 4/17/2010 7:28 PM ET
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Okay.  I have a RC.  I really try and accept RCs.  But this one is really making me hesitate.  I keep thinking that one thing I do not want to see in a RC is someone venting about past trades.  And guess what?  I got a long one.  Okay, the tone does not cause me to totally run away.  There is just so much dense writing. 

 

These may seem intensive but they are only for those who cannot read the rules and send me icky falling apart moldy books. That's not you! You can have cats, dogs, birds, elephants, all pets are fine. Really strong cigar or smoke smell is not.

If I ask for a hardback, I want to keep it. So I probably want one with a cover. If there is a cover, even if tattered, I'd like it. If there is no cover, please PM before sending.  I do not want book club books. Please PM if unsure I will let you know if I want it. These usually have no price on them. I will sometimes accept SciFi Book Club books, ask first. And cookbook club books. ask first please. And please, no more bookscrossing or similar books with stickers all over them so you can't see the title, etc.

EVERYTHING ELSE IS WELCOME THAT COMPLIES WITH PBS RULES AND THESE RCS, including old paperbacks that are turning yellow as long as the pages aren't falling out and SPINES ARE NOT BROKEN IN EVEN ONE PLACE.  Old PBs are always yellowing, as far as I can tell! Small stains are okay, old books are okay, just not ones that are in violation of the regular rules. Please, just follow the rules and I will take it, unless it is a hardback then see above If the book is really well-loved and tattered and kind of disgusting, PLEASE do not send it to me thinking it is withing the "spirit" of the rules.

DO NOT SEND A BOOK THAT VIOLATE REGULAR PBS RULES OR MY RCS, EVEN IF YOU GOT IT FROM SOMEONE ELSE HERE FIRST. I DON'T WANT IT.

Date Posted: 4/17/2010 7:32 PM ET
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If what I had complies with the RC...I'd send it.  Someone just got burned before, that's all.

 

But if you're unsure or nervous about it, PM them first. 

Date Posted: 4/17/2010 7:54 PM ET
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I'd accept as long as my book met their conditions. If I had to PM first, though, I probably wouldn't unless they provided their username in the RC. And if it was WL I would probably decline instead of wasting time PMing, but that's just me.

Date Posted: 4/17/2010 7:57 PM ET
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I just am so tempted to edit it.

Date Posted: 4/17/2010 8:03 PM ET
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I would decline this RC - I have a policy of declining RCs that have more than 1 paragraph or more than 5 conditions.

If you don't mind trying to decipher all that and find that your book meets all the conditions, then by all means accept it.

ETA: I'm tempted to edit too, Emily! I think she could get a lot better results by doing bullets.



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Date Posted: 4/17/2010 8:07 PM ET
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I have an RC, I always accept RCs if my book meets them, I've never (never = 3 months in this case :) ) really understood why they seem to rouse such vehemence among some.  Now I'm starting to see why.  The tone doesn't cause me to turn away, quite, though it's certainly not ingratiating, but the amount of effort required to pick out what he/she's actually asking for almost does.  The person really needs to edit and bulletize.  And clarify, because I'm fairly sure the "small stains" she's okaying are "in volation of the regular rules".

Date Posted: 4/17/2010 8:15 PM ET
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I generally try to evaluate each request with an RC fairly...but this is one thing I won't do....read paragrahs of stuff. I don't care about past trades, the resons for your conditions, I don't want you waffling on and on. TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT. In 25 words or less, if possible.

But on this one sentence alone--the first sentence--I would decline. 

These may seem intensive but they are only for those who cannot read the rules and send me icky falling apart moldy books

Well, that's not me. I don't do that. So this RC doesn't apply to me anyway.

I dunno what the heck she's saying. Don't care either. DECLINE.

Cheryl

Date Posted: 4/17/2010 9:07 PM ET
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I'd rather read a book than a RC. I'd decline in a heartbeat with no regret.

Date Posted: 4/17/2010 9:32 PM ET
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I guess I'm too eager to get the credits so I'd send it if possible.  However...I haven't received a RWAP either.  (hope I never do!)  If I ever received a RWAP because of someone's RC then I'd definitely decline.  I'd like to keep a clean record if at all possible.

Date Posted: 4/17/2010 10:15 PM ET
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I try to work with all RCs and I'll send my book if it meets them.  The only thing I won't do is message someone regarding the book, especially if they don't include how to contact them in the RC.  You'd have to accept the transaction before you could even contact the requester and if they then don't respond,  you're stuck in limbo and don't know whether to send the book or not.

I'd have to decline this one due to the smoking provision, but seriously?  I'd probably decline the transaction even if I didn't smoke. It's ambiguous.

Date Posted: 4/17/2010 11:37 PM ET
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I read and respect RC's. I will ship to someone with RC's if my book meets their conditions. If they do not meet the conditions I explain why when I turn them down. In response to my own RC's a great deal of the time the reason people give is "tf" "ol" etc. That bothers me a little. I don't understand why someone can't whip out one sentence. *shrug* It's nothing to get worked up over though. Maybe they were in a hurry. I digress. I would turn down this RC. It's the tone that bothers me. It's hostile. To be met with open hostility from the get go turns me off. I understand being frustrated and mad but I am not those other people. It comes across as though they are looking to jump all over someone. I will  not be that person. Why set myself up for what could be a pain in the butt even if my book meets PBS requirements? Some people can "see" problems with a book (that really have no problems) because they are ready to "see" them before the book ever gets there.  Uck. Who needs that.



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Date Posted: 4/18/2010 12:28 AM ET
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I have and respect RCs, but I don't know that I could accept this one, even if I had a book I was fairly sure fit their conditions. They just seem too angry and hostile, so I'd have a bad feeling in sending to them, no matter how good the condition of the book.

Really, what they seem to want (ignoring all the 'PM me first' parts where you'd need to accept and then await their approval) is no strong smoke smell on the book, dustjackets on hardcovers, no book club or bookcrossing books, and for the book to comply with the posting rules. Not really anything too extreme or difficult, and would normally get a lot of acceptances I'd imagine, but the tone and phrasing completely ruin it.

Date Posted: 4/18/2010 8:54 AM ET
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I'd decline on the basis of the Spine can not be broken even in one place. Does this mean the spine can't even have a crease? To me a spine is broken (not cleaved) as soon as you start getting those crease in the spine--which is may just be the way I interpret broken spine not necessarily the way the person means.

Date Posted: 4/18/2010 8:58 AM ET
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way too long. Decline. 

Kate -
Date Posted: 4/18/2010 9:54 AM ET
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I almost always accept RCs and occasionally I use one myself, but I would probably decline this because of the length and combative tone.  I'd be tempted to edit it too, it's more of a rambling essay than an RC at this point.

Date Posted: 4/18/2010 10:45 AM ET
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The point that a lot of people are making about the hostile tone of the RC makes good sense.  Sometimes people ARE looking for someone to yell at.  Don't know if that's the case here or not but...it does give people pause.  None of us want a RWAP.

 

Bookbinge:  what is tf and ol? 

 

A couple of you mentioned being tempted to edit.  What are you talking about?



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Date Posted: 4/18/2010 11:01 AM ET
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Nope, I'd decline. It sounds like an extremely picky person and I just don't need the drama.

Date Posted: 4/18/2010 11:07 AM ET
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Easy. I read RCs. If they tick me off - I decline. If they are reasonable and don't make me feel like a criminal, I accept them.

 

Done

Kate -
Date Posted: 4/18/2010 12:00 PM ET
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A couple of you mentioned being tempted to edit.  What are you talking about?

Nothing practical, really, since the RC author didn't post it here asking people to help them edit it. But that does happen pretty frequently, especially if RCs keep getting denied (as I'm sure this one will), and I think it can be very helpful for them to get input from other members. 

Date Posted: 4/18/2010 12:05 PM ET
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I'd decline on the basis of the Spine can not be broken even in one place. Does this mean the spine can't even have a crease?

I had the same feeling, babs. Even if the RC wasn't so long and didn't have several conditions attached, this would have given me pause.

A couple of you mentioned being tempted to edit.  What are you talking about?

Edit the RC so the tone wasn't as combative and it could get the point accross with less words. But the person is not here to discuss the RC, so I guess there's no point in giving suggestions.

Date Posted: 4/18/2010 12:09 PM ET
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Thanks, Kate and DG.  : )

Date Posted: 4/18/2010 12:11 PM ET
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These may seem intensive but they are only for those who cannot read the rules...

This is the first sentence and it's particularly troubling...I follow the rules, then the RC wouldn't apply to me, right? Well wrong, because below it mentions dustjackets, no books from bookclubs, etc.

And I wonder...if somebody doesn't read the rules, do you really think they'd read RCs?

Date Posted: 4/18/2010 1:00 PM ET
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Date Posted: 4/18/2010 1:08 PM ET
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(if it is suppose to come with one, not all hardcover books come with one but you can tell if they were suppose to)

How can you tell?

I've never understood that. I would have to decline because I have no way to know.

I would assume it would be if the hardcover had cover art on the actual front cover, but I have several hardcovers that do, but also have a DJ. I also received a hardcover in a contest a while back that I know came with a DJ because I saw it had one in bookstores. If I hadn't seen it in bookstores with the DJ, I might have assumed it never came with one because there is cover art on it.

So how do you know?

Date Posted: 4/18/2010 1:53 PM ET
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I'd decline too just because the RC is too long wth too many instructions. PM me in this case, PM me in that case.  Sorry, but like Jodi, I'd rather read a real book than a book length RC.  They can be written briefly and still be reasonable.

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