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Subject: Can blank journals be sent by Media Mail?
Date Posted: 4/15/2014 12:59 AM ET
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Just a quick question to see if anyone knows if blank journals can be sent by Media Mail.  TIA!

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Date Posted: 4/15/2014 5:51 AM ET
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http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/173.htm#1113509

4.1 Qualified Items

Only these items may be mailed at the Media Mail prices:

a. Books, including books issued to supplement other books, of at least eight printed pages, consisting wholly of reading matter or scholarly bibliography, or reading matter with incidental blank spaces for notations and containing no advertising matter other than incidental announcements of books. Advertising includes paid advertising and the publishers' own advertising in display, classified, or editorial style.

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No, blank journals may not be sent via Media Mail.  Just because it is bound material, that doesn't make it media.

Date Posted: 4/15/2014 6:33 AM ET
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if it is sold with an isbn on it I would say yes. after all it is referred to as a blank book.

Date Posted: 4/15/2014 6:53 AM ET
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No Charles, the rule for media mail says clearly, at least eight printed pages.

Date Posted: 4/15/2014 11:54 AM ET
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OK, thanks for the info.!

Date Posted: 4/15/2014 1:01 PM ET
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this must be a gray area depending on who you talk to. The post mistress at my post office tells me the test is the isbn. If it has one it is a book and can be sent media. I am not likely to ever send one so I bow to anyone who thinks they are prohibited.

Date Posted: 4/15/2014 1:46 PM ET
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The rule Scalta and Diane cite above is from the USPS.  I'd guess that's why PBS doesn't allow blank journals to be posted.

Date Posted: 4/15/2014 2:06 PM ET
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there are quite a few blank books posted and available here at pbs.

Date Posted: 4/15/2014 2:09 PM ET
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Yes, but they'e not supposed to be. There used to be a thread whose purpose was to alert the site owners to posted items that didn't fall within PBS's rules.

Date Posted: 4/15/2014 4:03 PM ET
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Calendars have ISBN as does paper dolls.  Neither can be mailed media mail. Yes some are posted but they are not following PBS rules 

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Date Posted: 4/15/2014 4:42 PM ET
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The following list is taken directly from the PBS Help Center.  The first line explicitly indicates that blank journals may not be posted.

Not allowed:

  • Anything that is not a book (this includes calendars, coloring books, blank journals)
  • Anything that contains advertising (such as single-issue comic books or comic book digests or magazines)
  • Advance Reader Copies* (also known as ARC s, Review Copies or Uncorrected Proofs--these are not the final versions of books)
  • CD-ROM books/e-books (books that must be read on a computer)
  • Burned copies of audio books
  • Xerox or otherwise unoriginal copies of books
  • Electronic media of any kind
  • Unbound pages
  • Music recordings, spoken-word recordings (these can be swapped as accompaniments to a bound book *for 1 credit for the set*, or at SwapaCD if they are in the database there. These are not "audio books," which are books read aloud by a narrator).
  • Items of fewer than 50 pages (leaflets or pamphlets or booklets**) without ISBNs, or whose ISBNs are not included in our database (other members complain at spending a credit for these)
  • Brochures/Promotional "first chapters" of books - these are not complete books, even if they have an ISBN
  • Books that originally had accompanying media material, if the accompanying media are not included.
  • Books that require supplementary non-media materials to be useful (non-media materials cannot be sent by MediaMail, and original non-media materials cannot be expected to be included with a used book)
  • Pornography (sex manuals and erotica are allowed, hardcore pornography is not allowed)
  • Supplementary media alone (without the book they originally accompanied)
  • Audio language courses without accompanying bound book.  (if audio tapes/CDs ARE accompanied by a book they are considered a bound book with accompanying media, and swap for 1 credit. They are not "audio books," which are books read aloud by a narrator.)
  • Books with water damage, or damage from any liquid
  • Books with writing or highlighting (see the exception for textbooks/cookbooks/travel guides described in Book Condition Criteria for 'Swappability' at PBS)
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Date Posted: 4/16/2014 9:10 PM ET
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some decks of cards also have ISBNs which I discovered when I placed an order here for what I thought was a book. When I reported it however, TPTB said I should have known it was not a book, but also that the sender should never have posted it. Of course, the listing on PBS didn't say they were cards, but TPTB said I should have looked it up on Amazon which they said clearly described the item as a deck of cards.

Date Posted: 4/18/2014 2:51 AM ET
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No. My PO agrees with Diane & other comments.  Blank journals do not qualify for Media Mail.