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Subject: CRITIQUING MATERIAL
Date Posted: 1/13/2009 5:25 PM ET
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It seems to me that with so many readers -- and writers -- on this site, there should be a place where writing can be critiqued in a safe, nuturing environment.  I've posted several of my silly nonsense essays on The Eclectic Pen, but there have been few comments, and certainly no critiques. 

Anyone feel the need for a real critique site?  If so, how would we go about getting one started?  I'm way too new here to figure these things out!

CleoAuthor

 

 

Date Posted: 1/13/2009 9:28 PM ET
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I'm for it, Linda.  Like you I wouldn't know where to start.  It's difficult in eclectic because you don't know if they want a critique or a pat on the back.  Personally, I want both. 

Date Posted: 1/14/2009 7:25 PM ET
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The easiest way would be to do it via PM's or off site email, that way whatever said will not offend anyone nor invite comments from people not involved.

I too would love to join but could not do anything until Feb 4th as I will be on vacation..

Paul H. (PaulH) - ,
Date Posted: 1/17/2009 1:37 PM ET
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This sounds like an intriguing idea forming.  I have a draft of a fantasy novel written that's been sitting in a drawer for years now, plus numerous other story ideas I just need to get off my lazy rear end and get to writing.  Having a writing group to bounce ideas and drafts of scenes off of might be just the push start needed...

Date Posted: 1/19/2009 10:47 AM ET
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Just be careful of posting your work on here or anywhere on the net.  In the book "Get Published" by Meg Schneider & Barbara Doyen, ISBN-13: 978-1-59869-687-5, ISBN-10: 1-59869-687-4 it says on page 7:  Whenever you post your writings on the Web, whether it's through an e-zine, a blog, or on your own site, it counts as a publication....you can't sell first serial rights....the best you can offer is second serial rights.

Second serial rights pay less.  Who wants less just because they posted on a forum for someone to critique?  Serial rights are what periodicals issue.

It seems to me that it was mentioned elsewhere in the book as well.  The authors tend to repeat some of the information.  However the book is a very helpful guide.

Date Posted: 1/19/2009 3:37 PM ET
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Yeah, exactly what Trixie said.  If you're aching for feedback, my suggestion is to look around your community for a writing group.  I started one in our community when I didn't find one and it took off nicely.  Another idea is to talk to a local community college creative writing instructor.  They sometimes have groups outside their classes that meet on a regular basis to critique work.  Finally, visit the author, Holly Lisle's website (http://www.hollylisle.com).  She has lots of useful information for writers.  I highly recommend her site. 

Good luck and, as I always say, write on!  :)

Date Posted: 1/19/2009 4:30 PM ET
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Thanks for your input, Trixie and Kathy.  Very good information!  I guess it's better not to post your material on-line.  I had a blog for a long-time with my writing on it and finally opted out because of these very arguments.  However, I post on ECLECTIC PEN, because these pieces have already been published on-line.  With ECLECTIC PEN, however, very few people post comments, let alone critiques.

However, the internet is a wonderful place to showcase your talents.  You never know who might be reading!  Wish there was a way around this knotty problem!

I teach screenwriting at a community college and I have several screenwriting critique groups, so I do know the value of these groups.  I also am a member of a critique group where I have my material critiqued (novels, not screenplays).  Excellent group.  We have 5 writers, and we critique one writer per week, 25 pages.  All of us are working on  full-length novels.  We have been meeting for 2 years now, and we're reaching the end of everyone's novel.  The next step in the process is to present the whole manuscript -- beginning to end -- to the group.  In this last read-through, we will focus on the whole piece hangs together.   

Again, your points are so valid.  Thank you for reminding me!

CleoAuthor

 

 

 

 

Date Posted: 4/12/2009 3:27 AM ET
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Date Posted: 6/20/2009 4:50 PM ET
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I took an on-line writing course this winter and the teacher suggested someone from our group begin a critique group on google. One of our members created one and we can post our writings for the other members to critique. You join the group by invite only so you know your writings aren't available to the whole world. It's been a great help with my writing.

Subject: critique
Date Posted: 7/1/2009 11:24 PM ET
Member Since: 5/13/2009
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I need my work critiqued but not stolen( no offense meant) i a m just trying out my story ideas, the story published on electric pen was thought up,written all in two hours time. i know some of my structure is wrong and english aswell loved to have comments;  i dont want to give away right to my writing before i've had a chance to be published.

Date Posted: 7/3/2009 8:52 PM ET
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I'm so for the online critique group! BUT MSN DOESN'T SIT WELL WITH MY MAC. I however have skype. And I'm willing to instal ICQ ... any thoughts on that? Also someone will have to take the responsibility for the group... anyone with free time on their hands raise a hand...

As the writing group goes, I don't know much about them as I recently joined one, but I must express some disepointment: Though they are very sweet people, none has published anything as complex as a book. Actually very few have published their stories/poems at all. The leader has offered to help me with grammar, but as my hubby is an lit. professor, he does as much for my MS. What I need is for people to tell me if this paragraph speaks to them or if this word/ sentance should be deleted and why.

As I'm working toward the process of publishing by agent, I cant post my work here or anywhere else on line for first rights and plagerism (no ofence meant). I know guys that he who sweats over his writing will not steal but I have met those who openly steal whole passages from old classics (Dostojevsky, Tolstoy, Puskin...) She even got offended when I gave her lecture about dishonesty and stealing... The amazing thing is 3 of her 20 pieces have been published in the magazine of the ministry of school (in Kurdistan North Iraq) where she works... It is a lot more close to home as she actually lives in England.

Until this group is ready to role I offer: I will read ANY MS sent to my address : lenkasalih@seznam.cz Send me your thougts as to what is it that you wish me to pay special attention. (As you can see, grammar is not my strong point so don't ask for that) I will ask that in return you moule over a chapter or 2 of my memoir. I will respect your work (no borrowing words, or publishing or sending, or reading your work to anyone and I will trust you to respect mine under the same rules .

 

Lenka



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