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So I was reading the book reviews in the paper this morning (online version included here) and I started thinking about how the dehumanization of people because of technology (and the struggle to overcome this) is a pretty prevalent theme in the science fiction genre. I then tried to think of books suggesting the opposite. A book where society has become more connected and maintained their humanity, individuality, responsibility and core values or these traits have even become enhanced due to technology. I know there has to be something out there. I'm just drawing a blank. Does anyone know any titles? -psi stuff doesn't count unless technology plays a big part in enhancing the brain function -not evolution. |
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Hmmm. . . that's a toughie. . . I can think of a lot of books where it simply isn't an issue (technology has advanced but otherwise people and societies are fundamentally the same) but I can't think of anything where technology has created a MORE connected society. . . all the books I can think of that take place in the future and show humanity as MORE connected involve some sort of apocalypse, or humanity's return to a pre-technological state, or humanity's transcendence into non-corporeal beings. . . |
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The closest I can think of is The Rite of Passage Alexei Panshin. But the technology is not that advanced. They aren't really plugged in to a network -and on lots of worlds there is no modern technology -and it's the interactions with those people that the book is about. Maybe I should ask over at librarything or booksleuth:
Help -I can't remember the name of this book. It's about a society in the future that is highly advanced and everyone is plugged into a network but they don't becone all drones or conformists. Individuality is prized. Does anyone remember the name of this book?
and see what books people come up with I think that smiley is supposed to be a devil but it looks more like a cat drawn by a first grader. |
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I don't know that I'd call the attempts at bringing people together through technology successful or not, but in Dick's Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? has an element called Mercerism that is meant to create a society-wide sense of empathy for all living things. Come to think of it, the ending to the story is a bit cynical in regards to the type of story you're looking for, but it's still got a bit of the flavor (at least for a while). |
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I love Dick. He's so pragmatic most of the time but a very weird weird man. I'm going to have to re-read that story because I can't remember the positive. I think that's the one that the movie blade runner was from right? I hope I have that one otherwise it's another on the old wishlist... |
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One that springs to mind is Interface Masques. But I don't remember if it ends positive or negative about tech. S N Lewitt (AKA Shariann Lewitt) has several about tech vs non tech, such as Angel at Apogee, which is about 1 society divided into 4. 1) low tech, 2) high tech, 3) educational institute and 4) control group. Whoops. Was that a spoiler? Oh oh oh. Sharon Shinn's Archangel series. About genetically created angels that use music to control the science. And then, over time, forget that it is science. Last Edited on: 2/16/10 2:09 AM ET - Total times edited: 1 |
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This is Not a Game by Walter John Williams deals with humans and social networks. Not sure it shows any more "connected'ness" though... |
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These posts made me remember a book from YEARS ago, but it isn't a fiction work. The title is The Human Use of Human Beings, and its author was Norbert Weiner. That fellow had genuine foresight. |
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It looks like This is Not a Game by Walter John Williams is the closest of the ones mentioned to what I'm wondering about (if the blurb has any relation to the story) Since you have millions hooked into a network -they must work together but they have to be autonomous at the same time. It doesn't seem to be the whole society though -more a large fringe element. I'm going to have to think about this: "high technology" = connected yet individualistic society that prospers/is happy because or in spite of the technology. I think I may have read a book about another world that was this way and we came in and wanted something from them and almost destroyed their society but either a kind hearted xenobiologist female or a kindhearted engineering male worked with the people and saved the world. (no not avatar
and while Interface Masque is not quite what I was looking for it looks like a good read! I would say Darkover might count but I can't remember how they developed the psi capabilities. Last Edited on: 2/16/10 11:06 PM ET - Total times edited: 2 |
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To the original question... I think an outstanding example of a pro-science theme would be 2001: A Space Odyssey, by Arthur C. Clarke. Science and knowledge in general has enabled humankind to reach the moon and eventually Saturn, where we are therefore able to transcend the limits of our mundane existence. I think a lot of Clarke's writing conveys a similar attitude. Unfortunately, Clarke is now passing out of science fiction awareness, perhaps soon out of print. -Tom Hl. |
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I think a lot of Clarke's writing conveys a similar attitude. Totally agree! |
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I don't know- I kind of feel like he's saying --watch , wait, be wary. It may be a good thing but it may bite you on your butt. I think if we use 2001 as an example here: He is pro technology and thinks it's positive in general but if you don't keep a good eye on it then bad things might happen. HAL may have been acting that way for (pro) the human race in general but to the one he was dealing with it didn't appear as though HAL was benevolent. I feel like he believe that technology is a good thing as long as we don't get complacent. This does suggest t hat people can't become simple 'hive members'. That they must retain their autonomy for the good of society. New technology is good but you must be aware at all times to preserve humanity -keep your thumb on it -or else you will all become ants... I think he like HAL better than the people... So to him it's good but dangerous. Don't worry Tom -Clarke won't fade away. My kids have read him, Bradbury and others of that era and they really like it. My son is taking a class called Science Fiction in Literature. I'm so excited about it -he won't tell me anything -liitle punk. He says he'll talk to me once class is over. (he does dribble bits and pieces to me) I will say we had almost every single story/book for the course so he didn't have to buy any books. The authors were Clarke, Bradbury,LeGuin, Lem, Verne and I can't remember who else. One of his writing assignments was to rewrite one of the short stories from a different characters point of view. Why didn't I get to do that in college? |
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II think the movie 2001 emphasized HAL, but the book was about transcendence. Well, hmm, actually they're pretty close, but I think HAL was more easily conveyed in a visual medium. I should relate that my 23yo son last year showed me a book he had read, saying, "Have you ever read THIS?" It was Childhood's End. All hope is not lost. I was fortunate to be able to take not just one sf class, but three different ones. I actually have 10 credits in sf. Note that this met my humanities requirement for my undergraduate engineering degree.
-Tom Hl. |
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I have tried (2x) to sit though that movie and just never could. I know I'm incorporating more than the one story though. I do feel like he tries to portray technology as good for society but the humans as not quite getting it. But who's fault is that? So is it good or bad? Argh it's hard to keep the points clear. OT: When I was working on my PhD (EE) I had to take 6 graduate level credits per semester to get my RA stipend. I took 3 hours of english lit classes every semester until I was found out. (Unfortunately there was no sci fi lit back then) There was no requirement that the classes be in your school or field simply because no one had done what I did. I was spoken to quite firmly. I wasn't in a hurry so I just wanted to take a bunch of different classes. OOT: See-- the kids of parents that like to read will keep all these books in print -probably by pilfering the parents books so we have to buy new ones... |
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Ann, half the reason I've got the collection I do is so that my son can pilfer; I've even got doubles of some titles I'd like to keep just in case lol eta: I never make it through the opening sequence. It's like valium or something. Nothing against the whole classical music interstellar ballet of it all, but it seriously puts me down for the count. I got a copy for Christmas, wonder if I should make some coffee and give it another shot... Last Edited on: 2/19/10 9:59 PM ET - Total times edited: 1 |
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not coffee -I think most people that liked it were on something like acid or mushrooms -can't spell halucinagin but that's what I mean... No offense or suspicion to/on those who liked it And my book collection is dwindling rapidly because of my darling children. But I'm actually happy about it. I can always get more here!
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Huh. I want parents more like you guys. I've had to buy my OWN copies of all the books my parents have that I loved. . . though this is partly because I feel bad that I destroyed their old Daw paperbacks before I knew how to properly treat books. (I used to like reading on my stomach. Out in the sun.) The effect, obviously, is the same: classic authors stay in print, just barely. But my parents have more money to replace their library! Ah well, that's what we created PBS for. . . :) |
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Phoenix, I will admit I've been reading a lot more fairytale fantasy types lately. I know they won't walk off with those before I've finished reading. Of course if they are desperate for reading material all bets are off. I've been bugging one of them to return Name of the Wind to me since I haven't read it yet. Spring break is soon. When I go to pick him up I will check his bags to make sure that's coming back! I'll have to read it before the other one gets it. He goes to a university in this area and comes home once a week to get fed and take books. (at least that's how I view it) |
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I should have encapsulated what Weiner said in his The Human Use of Human Beings. Or at least tried . . . The gist of the book was his expectation that the machines would continue to become more and more human while the humans would become more and more mechanical. Some years ago, a woman I used to know was engaged by Bell Corp. to do "human engineering". It seems there was a need to give serious attention to the man-machine interface, as in the cockpits of some of those super-duper new go-karts the U. S. A. was building. Last Edited on: 2/20/10 3:05 PM ET - Total times edited: 1 |
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Weiner had some very interesting scientific thoughts -some breakthroughs. In my particular field he developed a transform/filter. He was rather more political and therefore went theoretical in many of his articles. He was actually excessively pro-cybernetics (high tech) although many people attributed a serious warning to his writing. I think it was because he was so precise in his explanations. This actually is a more engineering point of view (vs theoretical math) -just the facts ma'am! As far as human engineering -many high tech cockpits now have comic books as user manuals... makes me a bit nervous.
remember -when he was writing about cybernetics - it was like writing about global warming now... He was a voice of reason in an emotionally charged subject
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You mean this global warming? http://www.therenewableplanet.com/blogs/the_daily_green/archive/2009/11/24/global-warming-hoax-emails-leak.aspx |
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edited to remove taking the bait on the hijack. Last Edited on: 2/20/10 4:49 PM ET - Total times edited: 2 |
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Ahh... see my point exactly --slightly emotional slightly scientific. Global warming has become more political than scientific. That's where cybernetics was in the 60s. There's a fear factor. GIVE ME DATA let me interpret it -don't do it for me! It's so hard to figure out what's going on because of the emotions & politics and lack of actual data because people are too controlling.
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To hijack again... I kinda like the idea of cockpit directions being comic books. I some how imagine pilots as being visual thinkers rather than verbal thinkers. And I really like the theory that they would actually be able to recall what to do in case of problems. But then, I've always learned better to diagrams and songs. Give me a book with meter, and I'll be happy as a clam. Give me a dry textbook, and I'll be asleep. Typos! Oh my. And my library has You are not a gadget on order. Whee. Last Edited on: 2/26/10 12:24 AM ET - Total times edited: 2 |
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