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Subject: Deliberate Or Not?
Date Posted: 9/10/2012 6:38 PM ET
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I recently posted a whole bunch of manga on my account when I finally discovered I would not have any luck trying to sell them for even half of what I bought them, which is a bit of a bummer because I spent more on the manga than I would have liked for series that I loved when I was younger. Oh well, obviously can't get my money back but at least I can get credits for other books.

A couple weeks ago, someone requested one of my manga and then sent me a PM, asking if I'd be willing to do a 2-for-1 deal on a second volume of my manga. I sent a very polite PM in response, saying that no I was not interested in doing a deal on my manga (since I want to get every credit I can for them). The member said that was fine and they'd still want the one manga. I wrapped it up and mailed it out. Today, it was marked as received and I got my credit for the manga. Then that same member went and ordered the other volume they had requested a 2-for-1 deal.

I canceled their request, mostly because I was about to put my account on Vacation Hold for my trip out of the country, but also a slight bit because I was a little pissed. To me, it seems that this member deliberately requested the second volume at a later date to make me pay more for postage because I wouldn't give them a deal. Otherwise, if they had wanted the next volume so badly, why not request it even when I didn't accept their deal? Does it sound deliberate and a little mean-spirited to you or am I reading too much into it?

Date Posted: 9/10/2012 6:48 PM ET
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Maybe they only had 1 credit at the time and when they got another credit they ordered the 2nd volume not even realizing that it might be you again as the sender. It's also possible that 1 credit was all they were willing to risk until they knew if they liked that series or not. 

Date Posted: 9/10/2012 6:49 PM ET
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Well, it could be that it was deliberate.

It could also be that when they made the first order, they only had one credit (thus asking for the deal), and in the meantime, they got another.

It could also be that they just didn't think the whole ordering it later process thru, without intentionally meaning to make you spend more postage money.

So ... I dunno.

On the other hand, you will have to spend the postage to send it to anyone, so it might as well be to this person who ordered it, and you will have the credit for it faster, which is the point of posting books in the first place.

Enjoy your vacation. smiley

Date Posted: 9/10/2012 7:42 PM ET
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I would have just assumed that the other member was pleased with the book's condition and wanted to order from you again because of that. Or maybe because you responded to the transaction soon and shipped quickly. Or packaged it well.  Several members here order from me on a fairly regular basis because they know that I'm  anal with my books, lol.

Date Posted: 9/10/2012 7:53 PM ET
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I wouldn't think it's deliberate.  Many reasons someone would order again at a later time.  I'd assume they didn't have a credit at the time of the initial order which is why they asked for a deal.

Date Posted: 9/10/2012 8:07 PM ET
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When you posted them you should have expected to send them one at a time so cancelling the order seems spiteful on your end. If you wanted to save on postage, the you could have offered them a multi-credit deal instead of the one credit deal they asked for. If you aren't willing to do any favors for the requesters, don't expect them to do any for you. Maybe it was a deliberate attempt on the requesters part to show you that deals can be a good thing for both senders and requesters.

Maybe they just didn't feel like ordering more than one book at that time. Its doubtful they had any idea that the second book request was going to go to you through FIFO. They may have decided there was no rush to order the second book if they weren't going to get a deal and if you weren't going to offer a deal, they weren't going to jump the FIFO line to give you the request. They may have even requested the second book the same day and it just rolled over to you now after the first people in line with the book didn't respond to the request and your response to them is the only one with deliberate pissed intent behind it.

Date Posted: 9/10/2012 8:14 PM ET
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<< am I reading too much into it?>>

This gets my vote.  As others have said, there are a lot of things that could have happened -- lack of credits, not wanting to order more until she decided if she liked the series, etc.  She may have just ordered it through the system, and your copy was first in line.  No need to get pissed or take things personally -- just move on and enjoy your vacation. ;-)

Date Posted: 9/10/2012 8:23 PM ET
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Thanks all for your points of view. It's possible that I did jump and they were just short on credits. 

I promise I did not cancel the request only because I was pissed. It was mostly because I don't have the time to wrap and mail the book before I leave for my trip but I completely forgot to do the Vacation Hold until today. 

Thanks again!

Date Posted: 9/10/2012 11:43 PM ET
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Enjoy your vacation and put it behind you. When twas reading your post, at first I couldn't think why you were upset. It wasn't until the end of your post that I realized that it was about the double postage again. It just didn't cross my mind at all, so maybe it didn't cross the other person's mind either.

Date Posted: 9/11/2012 12:27 PM ET
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Maybe they were making sure it was the manga series they wanted to get.  Most of them are similar in storyline and sometimes seeing the characters is how I tell them apart.

I'd just assume it was not spite and they only had one credit at the time or needed to know if it was the right series.

Date Posted: 9/11/2012 12:42 PM ET
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The way I see it, you are agreeing to send single books and pay for single postage for the mere fact that these books are listed on your bookshelf.   If you were NOT OK with single orders then you would not put them on your shelf.   So you have to assume that you may never get a multiple order, and all of these books end up going out individually.  If not, then don't post them.

Why does it matter WHO ordered your book?  The point is, you got a book order, which is why you have them posted.  Why would it matter if one person ordered one book from your shelf every single month?  An order is an order.  It's a credit.  It's a credit if the order comes from that person, or someone you have never dealt with before.

I can tell you that I probably have had repeat orders from the same people throuhg FIFO because I only order very specific genres.  Now, I only check their shelf about half of the time when I place a single book order.  I may not even KNOW that I will want two other books from their shelf two months from now.  I may not even have the credits.  Or maybe I only have so many credits, but are trying to ration them out for how many other WL orders I think are coming up soon.  I may have not even heard of that author yet.  I discover new others all the time.

I think you are reading way too much into this, and the end result of you cancelling this order is, you turned down business for your shelf.  Would you rather your shelf sit and languish with no orders?

I think you've got to cut people some slack, and if you do not want to send out singles then don't list them on your shelf.



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Date Posted: 9/11/2012 2:41 PM ET
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I had someone order 2 books from me in July. After they placed the order they sent me an email asking if I would do a deal. I replied that they should have asked before ordering because the system already took their credits and I probably wouldn't have anyway in this case since it was 2 hardback books, both new and imported from Britain. All I could have done was take one credit and I wouldn't have done that. They never responded but didn't cancel the order so I sent them. Guess what two books went lost in the mail despite the DC showing them being delivered? You guessed right if you said those two books. Now I know it happens that they get scanned delivered when they aren't, in fact it just happened to me last month, but the fact that she didn't respond to my pm asking if they had arrived makes it even more suspicious. There are some people like that out there, whether she was or not I'll never know nor will you, but most people are honest and good intentioned so you can't let some suspicious activity rule your thinking. I certainly wouldn't have canceled the order just for a suspicion.  

Date Posted: 9/11/2012 5:19 PM ET
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I think you cancelling was a bit spiteful. I'm betting they only had one credit at the time but really wanted the book, which is why the ordered it later. As has been pointed out, you'll have to pay postage anyhow.
Date Posted: 9/11/2012 5:48 PM ET
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The two manga were later volumes of the series so it was not a case of the member only getting the first volume to see that they liked the series.

thekoose > I don't mind at all if all the manga I posted were mailed out individually to seperate members. What annoyed me was that one member seemed to deliberately spread out the orders (my initial thinking but I no longer think that thanks to the other theories). Personally, when I'm ordering several books in a series, I try to find a member that has several of the books I want to make things easier for them to mail, even when I'm not asking for any kind of deal. I guess I was hoping there were other members who might follow the same courtesy and was annoyed when I thought this member was being spiteful. 

I'm sorry if you all think I'm the one being mean and spiteful for canceling the request. I'll admit that I was a little pissed because of my original thinking that the other member was seperately ordering deliberately but you all have offered other theories and I now don't think the member did as I originally thought.

However, that doesn't changed the fact that I canceled the order because I am about to leave the country to volunteer for three months in Peru and have way more buisness on my plate to finish in this next week before my departure than time allows for me to wrap and mail the book. I didn't cancel it merely for spite. If I had the time, I would message them and ask if they still want the manga. But I don't have the time, which is why I canceled the request (and would have canceled any request of any book this close to my departure). 

Thanks again for offering other points of view.

Date Posted: 9/11/2012 7:15 PM ET
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I know this much is true:

1. You'll never know for sure.
2. You'll sleep better at night knowing and loving this person more if reading and enjoying Vol. 1 prompted them to order Vol. 2.

So, go with that.
Anyhow, they didn't know whose bookshelf Vol. 2 would have come off of when they ordered it.  Someone may have been ahead of you in FIFO.

Date Posted: 9/11/2012 7:56 PM ET
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One last theory too is that they added the book to their reminder list while looking at your shelf. That would automatically send the request to you when they next ordered it if yours was still available. This has happened to me before. :)

Date Posted: 9/11/2012 8:52 PM ET
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...they added the book to their reminder list while looking at your shelf. That would automatically send the request to you when they next ordered it if yours was still available. This has happened to me before. :)

No it wouldn't. Not unless your book is the first in the FIFO line. The ONLY way a request is ever sent directly to a member instead of to the FIFO lines is if someone clicks the Order This Book button on the right of the screen while on the member's Bookshelf. Ordering from anywhere else on the site will request the first copy of the book in line.