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Subject: I'm frightened! Hold me. :(
Date Posted: 6/17/2008 6:07 PM ET
Member Since: 12/19/2007
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I've just received a FIFO request with "conditions". The conditions include "no excessive wear" and I'm not sure what to do. The book is a trade PB that is obviously a used book. It certainly meets all standards for trading per PBS but I don't want to risk my credit. What would you do?? ("Excessive wear" is such a subjective thing...)
Date Posted: 6/17/2008 6:21 PM ET
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I've gotten books that I considered "excessively worn" and I won't be putting them back into PBS.  However, I can read them and I didn't  set RC's so it's okay - I did mention to them that I thought they were too worn when I checked that I got the book and thanked them.  I think if your UBS won't buy it or trade it from you - then it's too worn  Readability doesn't have too much to do with excellive wear, IMO.  I usually take someone's RC for excessive wwear to be that they don't want lots of creases in the covers or worn spots in the covers or binding or a "warped" book or a dirty book or dirty pages.  I figure them to be more picky than the PBS guidelines.  So I guess it comes down to your interpretation of the guidelines and which side of them your book falls on.  Hope that helps.


Date Posted: 6/17/2008 6:39 PM ET
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It's not really an excessive condition.  In fact, here's the Book Posting Guidelines with the relevant line underlined, italicized and in bold:

All of the information below apply both to swapping for credits and Box-O-Books swapping.

General remarks:

  • This is a used-book swapping site; books are not expected to be in like-new condition.
    • Older books may have some page yellowing or spine-creasing or dogeared pages; these are all OKAY.
    • Decirculated library books may have various markings and/or stamps inside or outside or on the page edges of the book; this is OKAY.  These may not obscure text.
    • BookCrossing books may have stickers or stamps or markings on the outside or inside covers or page edges of the book; this is OKAY. These may not obscure text.
    • Hardbacks do NOT have to include their dustjackets.
    • Audiobooks MUST be the original cassettes/CDs, but do NOT have to include the outer "box" that held the set.
    • Audiobooks must be playable.
    • There is an exception to general condition guidelines for textbooks; see below.
    • There is an exception to general condition guidelines for cookbooks; see below.
  • We do NOT have a place for members to describe the condition of a particular copy of a book.
    • ALL books on PBS are expected to be in "good, not excessively worn" condition
    • Books are requested in FIFO (first-in, first-out) order
  • If you would like your books to be in "better-than-PBS" condition :
    • You are responsible for setting Requestor Conditions on your account.

Perhaps the person isn't aware of the fact that the rules already state this.  At the same time, trusting that everyone is aware of the guidelines didn't exactly work out for me and I've resorted to conditions asking that senders double check the condition of their books (both to remind unaware senders of the guidelines if need be, and to check the books in case they've never been given a once-over).  I know there are people who will reject any RC on some sort of principle, and some who will reject mine because mine aren't actually asking for "better than PBS" condition (I guess the "principle" for overall rejection is the idea that no one has a right to ask for "better than PBS" condition).  However this has worked out fantastically for me, greatly reducing the number of unacceptable books I've received. 

At any rate, I believe "excessively worn" to mean a weakened cover, creases  (especially along the spine), indentations in the cover, etc.  If it looks like your book's been read fifty times and kept on the kitchen counter as opposed to a shelf or stack of books I guess that would be "excessively worn".  Another thing I know some people don't agree with is the idea of sending a PM asking for a clarification, perhaps explaining why you might have reservations about the condition of the book.  I find most people with conditions have a strong inclination towards getting the book and aren't nearly as picky as presumed.   I would only worry about the credit if you feel your book really comes close to crossing the line, but that's merely my interpretation. 

Last Edited on: 6/17/08 6:40 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 6/17/2008 6:55 PM ET
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I have to admit, if they are iffy when I get a RC like that (not any and all RCs at all) I'd just say, does not meet RC and move along.

I've only done it once or twice.

Date Posted: 6/17/2008 7:00 PM ET
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When in doubt, I refuse. Life's too short to add un-necessary hassles to it :)

Date Posted: 6/17/2008 8:28 PM ET
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I'd refuse it if I had any doubt as to whether it met a requester's condition. Excessive wear means different things to different people.

BTW, I nearly peed my pants from laughing so hard when I read the title of this thread! Thanks for the chuckle, LeeAnne! :)

Date Posted: 6/17/2008 9:55 PM ET
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Glad to have brightened your day, Edie! :) *** As you say, one person's excessive wear is another's perfectly acceptable. I'll take another look at the book and make a decision. Tomorrow. :)
Date Posted: 6/21/2008 6:00 PM ET
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I also almost pp'd LMAO at the title!!!  I had one like that, accepted and described the condition of the book to her. we agreed that if it was unacceptable she would send it back and I would refund her credit.  We both agreed that it was better to work together to work it out if there was a problem.  Turns out the book was fine and she was tickled.

It depends on how much time you are willing to spend working with the other member. You can either one cancel the order if you decide it won't work.

Good luck!


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Date Posted: 6/23/2008 2:57 PM ET
Member Since: 3/13/2006
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Because "excessive wear" is subjective, I would decline unless is was a nearly-new book.