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Subject: does this happen.
Date Posted: 10/20/2008 8:36 PM ET
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Today I was ask for a credit back...and thats OK I don't care.  The hardback I sent had some tears in the dust cover and I guess it did not have a price on it.  Evidentally it had come from a book club.  I did not realize even how to look for that.  So, I realize it is my fault...no problem.  What I do not understand is that if someone wanted to read the book what difference does it make.  Do some people belong to the swap to buy books in really great  condition and then re-sell them.  If so, then I will not send to people whose requests are that difficult.  I can understand smell, animals and etc but to read this book it would have been fine..  

Date Posted: 10/20/2008 8:51 PM ET
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Unless the sender you sent your book to had requestor conditions about not wanting Book Club editions and wanting a dust cover with no damage--you were perflectly right to send the book.

As for people wanting those conditions on the books they request, as someone who has conditions on the hardcovers I request, I can tell you that those books are going on my keeper shelves as part of my permanent collection.  Therefore, I want to get my books in all the same style.  Book Club editions tend to be smaller and may or may not be more cheaply made.  HTH

Date Posted: 10/20/2008 8:54 PM ET
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DItto what Heather said - normally I don't care if I get book club editions, but I have one series I'm collecting that I don't want book club editions of (just because they're smaller and won't match the rest of the set).  Other than those books though, it doesn't bother me.  I'm just happy to have a copy of the book!

Date Posted: 10/20/2008 9:18 PM ET
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I don't think people who want books in very good condition are just ordering them to sell them. Like Heather said, some people want to collect nice-looking editions for their keeper shelf. And some people just don't like reading books that are less than pristine.

Date Posted: 10/20/2008 9:22 PM ET
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To reiterate - if they did not have Requester Conditions about the dust jacket and saying they did not want BCEs, then it should not have been marked RWP and you should not have been asked to return the credit.

As for the whys of wanting better than PBS condition, systematic reselling of books from here is not allowed and they have kicked off anyone caught. I find it silly to be trying that because there in no way it could be very profitable with the way the Wish List works around here. Otherwise, there is no rule saying that a book received from here must be for just reading. Some want them for gifting or keeping. Whatever their reasoning, it is allowed.

Date Posted: 10/20/2008 9:35 PM ET
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Did they have an RC requesting no book club editions or a nice dust jacket?  You would have had to agree to that before accepting the request. If they didn't then you don't owe them a credit back and they shouldn't be given one. 

Some people don't want book club editions because they are frequently a different size than a standard hardback. If they're collecting then they want them to be uniform in size.  But it's up to them to put it in their conditions if they don't want them.  Same with dust jackets.  They aren't required. 

Date Posted: 10/20/2008 9:37 PM ET
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If it for someone to keep I understand....I just thought that if it was to read it was in plenty good shape...Thanks.

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Date Posted: 10/20/2008 9:59 PM ET
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You don't owe that person a credit.  The dust cover doesn't count at all, unless the person has requestor conditions, and I doubt they did.  Same thing for book club edition.  Heck, most people don't even know the difference. 

So it boils down to this....if the person didn't have requestor conditions, you don't owe them anything.

Date Posted: 10/20/2008 10:05 PM ET
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Well they did have conditions, but I thought the book was in such good shape.  How could a book be in pristine shape if it has been read several times.  I did not mind sending the credit back at all. It was just that I did not understand how particular some people are.  However from now on I will really be  careful if there are stipulations and just not send the book to be safe. 

Date Posted: 10/20/2008 10:09 PM ET
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The condition of the dustjacket doesn't matter, unless the RC's said something about it.  Dustjackets aren't even required to post the book.

Date Posted: 10/20/2008 10:46 PM ET
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I guess it must have been a book club edition.  I really did not know how to tell the difference..I guess I do now.  I think the price has to be on the dust cover???He offered to send it back if I would pay for it but of course I don't want it back or I would have kept it. 

Date Posted: 10/20/2008 10:52 PM ET
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<<I guess it must have been a book club edition.  I really did not know how to tell the difference..I guess I do now.  I think the price has to be on the dust cover???>>

That's not a sure way to identify a book club edition.  They can, at times, be hard to identify.  Here's a page that illustrates some of the more common identification signs: http://www.mywingsbooks.com/coll-terms/TEST_HRinside.shtml

Price missing from the dust jacket alone does not prove it is a BCE.

Cheers,

Catt

Date Posted: 10/20/2008 11:03 PM ET
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I have a funny feeling that I simply will not send a book that says no book club books.    Seems easier and that way neither one of us will  have a problem.

Date Posted: 10/21/2008 12:41 AM ET
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Date Posted: 10/21/2008 3:47 AM ET
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Also, if the requestor conditions ask that the dust jacket be included, it MUST meet the same guidelines as the cover.

From the help center:

Dust Jacket:

  • The DUST JACKET (this is not the same as the cover of a book) does not have to be included with a book at all, unless the requestor had this in their Requestor Conditions. 
  • So DUST JACKET condition cannot be considered as part of the condition of a book, unless there were Requestor Conditions on the request specifying that the dust jacket be included.
  • If the Dust Jacket was to be included as specified in the Requestor Conditions on the request, the Dust Jacket must meet the same conditions as defined for the cover, below.

Cover:

  • Must both be present (front and back)
    • note that a paperback missing its front cover is  usually an illegal, unsold copy
    • "cover" does not = dust jacket.  Hardcovers do not need to include their dust jackets to be swapped here.
  • Cover not water damaged (there may be no water damage to any part of the book)
  • Cover not torn or chewed/gnawed
    • some used book stores cut out a small part of the cover; if the amount missing is less than 1 inch, this is OKAY
    • a small rip (less than 1 inch) in the cover is OKAY
    • yes, that does say "chewed/gnawed" above.  That means no pet-chewed (or human-chewed) books.