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If you feel so inclined. For whatever reason, I really like HF involving the British monarchy but I've never really studied the topic. I've just read books, all out of order and never really put everything into sequential order. So now I must. I've got a list of British monarchs starting with Cerdic of Wessex and ending with Elizabeth II. The Saxon period is not well documented so the list HF novels available is spotty, not much is known about many of the Saxon era kings. I've already read "The Conscience of the King" by Alfred Duggan which is about Cerdic, the first of the kings. But I think it will be much easier finding HF novels after the Norman conquest. Anyway, I've been working on it today but I have to go to work and will be working 12 hour shifts for a few days. Below is the list of monarchs and books about them I have already compiled. What I'm looking for are books that focus as much as possible on the kings/queens themselves, not really interested in "period" books. Also not interested in historical romance. It is not imperative that the main character actually be the king/queen, but they must be heavily involved in the story and the story should give a history of the reign. The story of a village milkmaid that falls in love with a knight serving army of Henry III is not what I am looking for. But a novel about a close advisor to a king would probably suffice. I'm not asking you to start digging and researching books for me but if you have read a great novel that you think will meet my needs, I will appreciate the recommendation. I am already planning to add all appropriate SKP books to my list (I just ran out of time today) so you may skip recommending those. My goal is to read the history of the British monarchy, HF or biographical fiction form, in sequential order. It'll probably be difficult to find anything in HF format beyond Queen Victoria but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. I might have to resort to non-fiction biography, not my favorite. But anything you can suggest will be highly appreciated.
Cerdic House of Wessex The Conscience of the King Alfred Duggan-complete
Henry III Falls the Shadow SKP/ The Reckoning SKP On my wish list in green (this is going to be harder than I thought) Last Edited on: 5/8/12 8:26 PM ET - Total times edited: 4 |
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Bruce: What about When Christ and his Saints Slept by SKP for Steven of Blois, Matilda and early Henry II? |
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Bruce, it has been a few years but Valerie Anand's Gildenford trilogy covers Harold Godwinsson (actually a bit before that) through the Norman Comquest. You'll get focuses on Harold as well as William. Mary Lide has one on William, Fortune's Knave, but I found it rather dry and only so-so. Cnut and Harefoot do come up in Hollick's Forever Queen. Susan Higginbotham wrote about Edward II in The Traitor's Wife. The Richard III group at Goodreads has a rather good bookshelf to browse, thanks to the efforts of Susan H, Brian Wainwright and others. Speaking of Brian Wainwright, I would recommend Within the Fetterlock for Richard II and Henry Bolingbroke. His Adventures of Alianore Audley is a hilarious spin off of the Wars of the Roses. These are hard to find, although the prices seem to have stabilized but I think you might want to look at Carol Wensby Scott's Alnwick trilogy. The main focus is the Percy family, but they're definitely in the thick of things with whoever is sitting on the throne. Edward III through Bosworth field. The books are Lion of Alnwick, Lion Dormant and Lion Invincible. Hint on finding a better price, key in the exact title on Amazon and look at them all. Amazon hasn't combined all the listings/editions and the prices vary a great deal. Very good reads, but not for a first timer wading into the muddy waters of the Wars of the Roses. You've read Penman's take so you're probably OK. If you find any copy under $1 I'd snap it up. US libraries don't have these to the best of my knowledge.
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Ann Dukthas (Paul Doherty) wrote the Nicholas Segala mysteries which usually deal with monarchies. His first is about Mary Queen of Scots and his second dealt with Marie Antoinette. THe Third is about the Habsburgs and the fourth called In the Time of the Poisoned Queen which is about the English Queen Mary in 1558. The books are all great, but only the one truly deals with a British Monarch.
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For Henry VIII: The Autobiography of Henry VIII with notes by his fool Will Somers by Margaret George. For Elizabeth I: Elizabeth I by Margaret George covers the latter half of her reign and was really good. I, Elizabeth by Rosalind Miles covers the whole reign. I've also heard Margaret Irwin's trilogy on her is good an also Legacy by Susan Kay. For Queen Victoria: Victoria Victorious by Jean Plaidy and she also has a 4 book series about Victoria's reign (I've read the first two and enjoyed them). Also check out Jean Plaidy who covers the Normans, Plantagenets, Tudors, Stuarts, and Georgians. Here is a site w/descriptions for all of her books: http://jeanplaidy.tripod.com/id18.htm Some are really good, some are really dry, and some are meh.
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For Ceawlin: Born of the Sun, by Joan Wolf - great novel. Linda |
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I second Lind's rec on Born of the Son. What an awesome read, and THE book that got me reading historical fiction a few years ago. I've never looked back. |
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Definitely Edge of the Sun. I likd it the best of Wolf's medieval books, and I loved them all. :) Have you read Elizabeth Chadwick? Her latest Lady of the English is about Matilda. She's adequately covered with Penman's When Christ and His Saints Slept, but it's a great read, and focuses more directly on Matilda
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Wow that is one ambitious reading project! I anticipate the pre-Norman Conquest books to be a real challenge to find. For the monarchs from William the Conqueror on, if you search for Jean Plaidy's backlist you should find at least one novel for each monarch. |
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Thanks for all the suggestions. I think I'll start with William the Conqueror, I can research the Saxon kings without reading HF novels. I did notice that Jean Plaidy pretty much covers everything but I wasn't sure if her books were romance books or not. On amazon, the ratings for her books vary widely so I'm a little hesitant about her but I'll definitely consider her books. Availability is going to be the main obstacle but hunting for the books at yard/book sales will be half the fun. |
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Cnut and Harefoot do come up in Hollick's Forever Queen. Isn't this one also about Emma or am I mixing this up? Bruce, I have tagged several novels by the kings' or queens' names. Here's a link to my tags. I can't promise that the king or queen is a prominent figure in the book, but for many of them s/he will be. |
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Bruce, this came up in another forum I participate in. The suggestions there might be of help in your search. |
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Genie, The Forever Queen, is the U.S. title for The Hollow Crown. These are about Emma. |
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Great link, Cathy. |
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King of the Wood by Valerie Anand for William Rufus & Henry of the High Rock by Juliet Dymoke for his brother Henry I. |
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Bruce, King of the Wood is very good, but there are some tie ins with Anand's Gildenford books. It can be read as a stand alone, but I think it might be appreciated more if one had read the other books first. |
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Bruce, The Reckoning has everything to do with Edward I. Have you looked at the web site?
www.historicalnovels.info/
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Bruce, you're a madman! I"ve often thought of this project myself, but I became overwhelmed. I started thinking, "Why stop with England? What about Ireland, Wales, Scotland? Hey, what about Rome and Greece?" And I lost my mind right about then, I think. ;) I wish you luck! You've had lots of good suggestions. I see you have Graham Shelby's The Oath and the Sword. He also wrote a novel about John, The Devil is Loose. I enjoyed both when I read them years ago. I grabbed a novel out of the FOL book sale, Myself as Witness, by James Goldman. Again, this one is about John. Goldman wrote The Lion in Winter. I agree that Jean Plaidy will fill in many gaps in your list! ETA: Oh, you need to read Cornwell's Saxon Chronicles for Alfred the Great's era! Uhtred will introduce you to many of those players. ;) Last Edited on: 2/19/12 9:06 AM ET - Total times edited: 1 |
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Bernard Cornwell's Saxon Tales include a great deal about Alfred the Great |
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Thank you for all the great suggestions. I have read the Saxon Tales and haveDeath of Kings on my list. Great series. I think reading all these books in sequential order is going to be too tall of a mountain. Either I wait years to collect them all through PBS or I spent a fortune buying them. So maybe I'll just read them as I get them. I can always do some personal research on what is happening around the events depicted in the book so I'll have some historical perspective. Sounds like a winner. Thanks again. Last Edited on: 2/20/12 9:10 PM ET - Total times edited: 1 |
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Bruce, maybe a book like this: The Kings and Queens of England (which I got here, incidentally) would be a good choice for your project. I've found it really helpful when I need just the basics about a monarch's reign, family, and the political highlights of his time on the throne. I like this particular one very much, but I'm sure there are others just as nice. The only drawback: it starts with Alfred the Great. |
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What about starting a timeline with your notes in it, as you set about reading all of these titles? That might help you organize and memorialize the info, plus at the end you'll end up with a real accomplishment that you can refer to for ever--you might even be able to publish it. I think your project is quite neat, and would love to have something like a timeline at hand as I read HF books--sort of like the mother of all guides that are often included at the beginning of a book! |
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I notice you haven't included the disputed 9-day reign of Lady Jane Grey (between Edward VI and Mary of the Tudor line). Historian Alison Weir has started writing HF, including a novel of Lady Jane called Innocent Traitor. I thought it was excellent and very historically accurate. She also has one about Elizabeth I called The Lady Elizabeth. BTW, if you're also interested in history (nonfiction), the same author (Allison Weir) has written many books on the Tudor kings and queens that are very readable and fascinating. Good luck with your big project! |
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Aethelred the UnreadyAethelred II The Forever Queen Helen Hollick (alt: A Hollow Crown)
Bruce, This is such a worthy project & I applaud you! Linda & I started something similar several years ago - but far more general in scope. Hats off to you Sir, for compiling a list that - as soon as it's done - we will all want a copy of! I just finished a book that covers the same timeframe as the monarchs listed above - Warriors of the Dragon Gold, by Ray Bryant. I wrote up a few comments about it and am happy to offer it to you first if you are interested in it. Kelly
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If you are going to include Jane Grey, I'd suggest Susan Higginbotham's Her Highness the Traitor. It isn't quite out yet, but it looks like you have time before you get to that century. |
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