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Subject: Here's a new condition
Date Posted: 11/7/2008 9:07 AM ET
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Just got this one recently:

"Please do not send me a book wrapped only in the standard PBS wrapper. I have received very few damaged books in my time here, but almost all of the damaged books I have received have been wrapped just in those two worthless little pieces of paper."

Don't think she's gonna get many books with a condition like that. Especially since if you do use the PBS wrapper, does she have the right to "ding" you on it even if the book arrives in perfectly good condition?

I don't use the standard wrapper anyway except on thin mass market paperbacks, but this one really rubbed me the wrong way.

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 9:15 AM ET
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The majority of books I receive come wrapped in something besides the PBS wrapper...bubble mailers, manila envelopes, plastic catalog goods mailers, etc., so I don't think the member would lose as many requests as you might think.  The only books I mail in the PBS wrapper are MMPBs--everything else is sent in some sort of additional packaging.  I completely encase MMPBs in 3 layers of paper and waterproof with packing tape, so they are very well packaged, but I have received some MMPBs and trade PBs wrapped in just the PBS wrapper barely held on by scotch tape, and I'm sure that's what this member is probably trying to avoid. 

ETA: This RC wouldn't bother me.  Even if it was a MMPB, it's not a big deal to me to recycle one of the many bubble wrappers I receive in book swaps for this member's book.  But if it bothers you that much, just decline and both of you can move on.



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Date Posted: 11/7/2008 9:54 AM ET
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I see where that member is coming from. I never use the two sheets anymore. It really surprises me that PBS even offers that, but such is life.

I have gotten a book with the 'packaging' taped on by the PO because it was the two PBS sheets. I use tyvek and I recycle the bubble mailers that I get in the mail. I see more bubble mailers in my mail box than I do the PBS sheets!

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 10:04 AM ET
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I use the 2 sheets and no one has said anything to me about them coming messed up.  I would probably decline it because depending on the book I may not put it in anything else if I don't have any used mailers to use.

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 10:22 AM ET
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Date Posted: 11/7/2008 10:39 AM ET
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It's not the condition itself that bothers me. It's her wording. Describing the PBS wrapper as "worthless little pieces of paper" when TPTB have decided that the original wrapper is still acceptable just seems rude and uncalled for.

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 11:23 AM ET
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I agree that the tone is offensive, Bren. You can detect a great deal of frustration, can't you? I'd prefer people who get the benefit of this great site be kinder to the powers that be who have made it available to them, but we can't always expect others to behave the way we want.

That being said, I'd reject if I was mailing an MMPB that I plan on using the paper to wrap, and accept if it were some other kind of book that I wasn't planning on using the paper to wrap.

Personally, I usually reject RC's if the conditions ask me to jump thru hoops, but I am always gracious in the way I word it, and I expect they will get what they want with the next person, so I don't feel bad or vindictive about it.

 

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 12:10 PM ET
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This one wouldn't bother me at all.  I agree it could be better worded, but for the most part I agree with her.  I used the PBS wrapper when I first started, but not after I received a few books and realized what the poor things go through in their journey!  A little common sense would help!  It's just not sufficient to wrap a heavy or large book in the PBS wrapper with a couple of pieces of Scotch tape -- and I've received a few of those.  On the other hand, I've also received some PBS wrapper books with so much packing tape on them *nothing* was gonna get through that.  :-D

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 12:40 PM ET
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While I do not use just the PBS wrapper to send books, I receive most of my books with it.   I've never had one tear enough to ruin the book.

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 1:28 PM ET
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I use it and have never had a problem with a complaint or with a book I've received in it. I find it to be the best packaging when used correctly - the book doesn't move around and tear the sides and it can't be bent - I got a thin book in a bubble package that had been bent in two by the post office. I take extra care when I use bubble packages now.

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 1:35 PM ET
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Interesting to see everyone's perception of the wrapper, lol. 

Bren, I completely agree with you about the tone and I also think she'll get declined quite a bit for the tone alone. 

I use brown postal wrapping paper, well taped (package is almost encased by packing tape) for MMBP

Les, as you so clearly know, lol, tape is the key here.  The two things I have had the most problems with, in regards to the wrapping not holding up, are 1). Manilla envelopes not well taped, so they get caught and tear and 2). Brown wrap not well enough taped.  I have no idea *why* I see more trouble w/ the brown wrap and not enough tape than the PBS wrapper and not enough tape, but I do. 

Maybe we should all have to pass "Book wrapping 101" before we can swap here. ;-)

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 1:41 PM ET
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I've never used just the white paper to wrap books.  I usually send them out in bubble envelopes and tape the end also.

I have, however, found that almost all the books I receive that are wrapped in the white computer paper are well wrapped - in fact, so well-wrapped that sometimes it's very difficult to get them unwrapped without stabbing myself, or injuring the book inside (which is why I prefer the bubble envelopes.

I'd not reject a request with that RC.  Pat

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 3:46 PM ET
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Based on the requestor's tone, I would reject the request immediately.  I am a somewhat OCD, type-A gal, and I ALWAYS overwrap everything, so I would easily be able to meet the RCs, but I don't like to support rudeness!

I wonder, though, in addition to turning down the request, is there a way to PM the member and let them know that it is not so much much that the book doesn't meet their RCs, but that I find their RCs to be rude and offensive?   -Christine

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 4:03 PM ET
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When you reject due to RCs,  there's a box that comes up where you can say why you are rejecting the request.

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 4:20 PM ET
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Personally....I am just too lazy to use the two sheets.  It is just easier for me to throw them in one of my padded envelopes.  The one time I used the two piece of paper recently....it was very rainy where I sent it and the book got wet.:(   The member who received it was very nice and didn't ask for her credit back...but I buddied her one anyways....It would suck to get a wet book....it was for her kid too...so that would doubly stink.

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 4:21 PM ET
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I've had no problems with MMPBs coming in just the wrapping.  The only damage is when someone thinks that tape is a packing material and COVERS it so well and snugly I can't get the tape to let go w/o risking cutting the book.  Just the seams, please!

The only damaged books I've gotten have either had the wrapping taped to the cover, or been in too large of envelopes so they could shake all about, or been hardbacks in brown paper--brown paper does NOT protect hardback corners--no matter how much tape you put on!  Tape is not a padding material!

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 4:23 PM ET
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I have mailed out 704 books - mostly mass market paperbacks - since joining in 2005.  My books are first encased in my recycled newspaper plastic bag and then the two sheets of PBS wrapper.  Then I use lots of good quality mailing tape, but not so much tape that the recipient cannot get the package open.

If any of my books have arrived damaged due to the "worthless two pieces of paper" in which they were wrapped, I have not heard of it.

On the other hand, I have received books from other members wrapped in one or two sheets of the PBS wrapper, and some of those books were damaged in transit.  But I attribute that damage totally to the lack of sufficient tape on the package. 

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 4:53 PM ET
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While I agree, tone & wording is everything, this condition wouldn't bother me at all. I have never sent a book out wrapped with just the 2 sheets of paper. I value the condition of books too much. I have received books wrapped that way, and I really cringe when I open my mailbox & see them wrapped that way because I wonder if I'm going to get dinged copies. I have read too many horror stories here.

Surprisingly, only a couple of books so far came rather dinged up. (You could tell because the wrapping was dinged.) The other ones were okay. But, I've noticed, it depends on the condition of the book to begin with. If the book is still very tight in the binding & rather new & the pages still compressed, being in a "brick-like" state, the book arrives fine. The two dinged up books had pages that were rather "fluffy."

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Date Posted: 11/7/2008 5:29 PM ET
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I've received many books with just the PBS wrapper that arrived just fine.  And a few that didn't.   And I always use only the PBS wrappers, plastic wrapped first then tape reinforced, to send out my books, and have never received any complaints, but have received "well-wrapped" compliments.

I'd reject this RC, just based on the tone alone, even though I could easily revise my usual wrapping method and send in an envelope (which, by the way, is no guarantee of protection - I've had some of these arrive to me in poor condition as well).

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 5:44 PM ET
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All you have to do, is wrap them in some plastic, and then wrap the paper around them, and tape it well. It really works. I've also wrapped books in simply paper, but i find it makes me nervous i i stopped doing that. Many times i have thrown the books in a padded envelope, taped the end, and sent it on its merry way. I have invented a technique, however, where i can use several sheets of white paper and mail almost any size book, along with wrapping it in plastic. I've had several compliments on my wrapping jobs. Paper is CHEAP. It's better, if you can use it, than spending a dollar or more on a bubble wrap envelope, plus it is more earth-friendly, which is what PBS really amounts to, sharing and passing on what could end up in a dump. What bothers me is people who join PBS and see it as some magic way to get perfect books. It's not a 'brand new books club', it's a used book source, and as long as a book meets standards, people should be more accepting than they generally are.

I love PBS, and i never imagined the success i'd have on here! It's nothing compared to some people, i realize, but it's more than i ever imagined! Even on bad days, it beats the hell out of scouring every pile of books for sale that i come across. (Even though i still do, just in case! lol)

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 6:46 PM ET
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I do the 2 sheets thing and then tape it well, never had a problem sending stuff out nor has anyone said they RWAP.

I have seen alot of books in bubble mailers come in worse for wear though, its all in HOW its packaged not the actual packaging material.

I too would reject this on the tone of the RC as I would think it was get RWAP no matter what I did. 

I dont mail out that many books that buying bubble mailers would be worth the effort, during the winter/fall months I wrap the books in plastic then the wrapper. I also have not been sent any books in bubble mailers that I could keep and reuse, or else I would.

Date Posted: 11/7/2008 7:22 PM ET
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I use brown kraft postal wrap.  I don't see how that's any thicker than 2 sheets of printer paper.  In fact, the printer paper is harder to fold over the ends of a book than the kraft wrap is.

All my books are wrapped in plastic wrap first.  I've never had a book arrived damaged.  I receive lots of books in the PBS wrapper and they've all come just fine too.

I'd reject these RCs too based on the tone.  I'm not going to waste a bubble mailer on a MMPB.  Those are saved for hardbacks.

Date Posted: 11/8/2008 7:53 AM ET
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If the book is also wrapped in plastic, and it's not too large a book, then the two sheet wrapper is usually adequate protection.   I got a bit lax after I first joined and didn't plastic wrap some books, and luckily enough none were ever RWAP because of it.  After reading posts from people who were getting weather ruined books because they had not been wrapped in anything but the paper, I started using plastic wrap again on all books I mailed using the two sheet wrappers.   Just the other day, I got a thin PB book that was just wrapped in a single sheet of paper, which surprised me.  I PM'd the member that she should consider wrapping with plastic and two sheets as the site suggests, as had this book gotten wet during delivery, it would have been ruined because the single sheet of paper would not have protected it at all. 

I wouldn't reject an order with this RC, but I do think the "two worthless little pieces of paper" bit was not necessary.   S/he could have just said "...have been wrapped in just the paper" and it would have sounded nicer. 

Date Posted: 11/8/2008 9:34 AM ET
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Date Posted: 11/8/2008 9:54 AM ET
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Nearly all the books I have sent are MMPB's, and I generally wrap the book in plastic wrap and then use two sheets of copy paper, and tape the thing to death with packing tape.  I have not had a complaint yet.  I do send hardcovers or larger books in padded mailers, though.

I do think the plastic wrap is important.  I admit I forget it on occasion, but I have received books with water damage that were otherwise well packaged.



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