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Subject: Klutz book question - Braids & Bows without the bows? also no ISBN
Date Posted: 10/14/2008 6:43 PM ET
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I'm posting some books and one of the books I have is called "Braids & Bows A book of instruction".

This book is from Klutz Press & a lot of books by Klutz have stuff with it for example a book about Juggling would have Juggling balls with them.

I got this book at a yard sale but I am sure it came with a bunch of bows & stuff to use in little girls hair.

Is it ok to post this book?

Also I can't find an ISBN for it inside the book. I've looked in the normal places like the back of the book, inside the copyright page & stuff, but no number found.

this is a link to amazon for the book I have they don't have a ISBN listed either -


this site has the ISBN though but the covers are different.


Look at the price though! Wonder if I should put it on Ebay? lol

So is it ok to post it here? If so how without the ISBN?

Date Posted: 10/14/2008 6:50 PM ET
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if the book is supposed to come with the bows and you do not have them you can not post the book.  The book is not complete.


Date Posted: 10/14/2008 7:34 PM ET
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Also, the extras on the book (the bows) make it ineligible for Media Mail so it can't be posted.

Date Posted: 10/14/2008 7:46 PM ET
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Actually I am pretty sure that the Help distinguishes between required non-media and not required non-media. If the non-media is required to use the book, then it cannot be posted for a credit. If the non-media is not required to use the book, then it could be posted without it. Since the book is going to show you how to tie with the accompanying bows, it may be hard to use the book without them. This same type of book was questioned before and I don't think there was ever a firm answer. Some said you could get other bows to use with it and it was postable, some said you needed the bows to use the book and it shouldn't be posted.  If it says that they are included anywhere on the book, my opinion would be that it probably shouldn't be posted.

If you ever run deals, this might be a book you just want to offer for free with an order off of your shelf. It postability is in question and you will need to post it as a book without an ISBN.

Date Posted: 10/14/2008 8:15 PM ET
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thank you! You all were very helpful

Date Posted: 10/14/2008 8:49 PM ET
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Yes, the book can be posted.  If you include the bows, etc, you need to send it first class postage. I have the same book and love it.  My copy does have an ISBN (though we may have different editions) on the back cover, bottom right corner, above the UPC code.

Per the Help Center:

"Books that originally had accompanying non-Media materials that are not required to read the book (ie, jewelry) MAY be posted.

  • The extra material does not have to be included, and if it is included, the book must not be sent using Media mail rate."