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Subject: I mailed book thru PBS but shows not mailed!
Date Posted: 2/8/2017 8:51 AM ET
Member Since: 3/4/2009
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I mailed a requested book on Monday.  Printed postage and label through PBS.  I get an email this morning saying "request cancelled" because I didn't mail book. 

Is this another glitch? I don't see anyone else reporting problems with this. 

How do I make sure I get credit. The mailed book is not showing up anywhere in my account. 

Date Posted: 2/8/2017 8:57 AM ET
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It sounds like maybe you forgot to mark the book mailed and it timed out and went on to the next person. Here's what the help section says: http://www.paperbackswap.com/help/help_item.php?id=137

If you received an email from PBS telling you that a book transaction was canceled, but you already mailed the book, this means you did not mark the book mailed before the deadline to do so.

  • The other possibility for an email cancellation notification would be if the requestor canceled--and the requestor could not cancel once you accessed the address information from the request.  So if you obtained the address from the request and mailed the book to the correct person, the requestor could not cancel - the system did.
  • If you clicked Cancel Order by mistake on a book you mailed, then you will not have gotten a cancellation email but the instructions below still apply. 

If you did not get an email notification of a cancellation, but you cannot find an outgoing request in your account, please see My request disappeared!.

If you didn't mail the book yet, see My request was canceled--I didn't mail the book yet.

A canceled transaction doesn't get credit - BUT you can try to fix this, if you act promptly after the cancellation.

What to do now:

  • Log into your account

  • Click My Account at the top of the site

  • Choose the Transaction Archive link at the top of the My Account page

  • Find the canceled book in the list

    • Make sure it is the CORRECT canceled transaction - put your cursor over the red X on the left and the words "Canceled - no response from sender in allotted time" should come up.
  • Click the PM button on the right to create a Personal Message to the requestor

    • Paste this text (you can modify it to suit the situation of course) into the PM text box window

      I mailed this book [Insert title of book] but neglected to mark it mailed before the deadline, and it was canceled. Please look at your My Account main page right now - if you have an active request there for [Insert title of book] it is NOT with me--it is with a new sender. Your request must have been passed on to that person, and you will get 2 copies of this book if the new request is not canceled. If you do have an active request on your account page for this book can you cancel it? You will be getting a copy of the book from me. You can then mark my book received when it arrives, from your Transaction Archive. If you are willing to do this I really appreciate it! Just let me know if you have a new transaction on your account page, and if you are able/willing to cancel. I am very sorry about the inconvenience. I am going to mark my books mailed before the deadline from now on!

  • Then wait for the requestor's response.

    • If she HAS been able to cancel, then when she receives your book she can follow the instructions in the Help doc I received a book from a canceled transaction! to mark the book received from her Transaction Archive, and you will get credit then.

    • If she has NOT been able to cancel, she will end up with 2 copies, and she will NOT be obligated to mark the canceled copy (yours) received. The Help doc I received 2 copies of the same book! explains this.

FAQs:

Q - Why did the transaction cancel?

A - Because you did not mark it mailed before the deadline to do so.

  • If a book is not marked mailed before the deadline, the PBS system cannot know it was mailed
    • Contents of Personal Messages or emails from the sender/requestor will not affect the deadline
    • The deadline cannot be changed once the book request has been accepted
  • The deadline is determined by the sender's choice of mailing dates:
    • If the sender clicks "I can mail in the next 2 days" when accepting, he or she has 5 days before the transaction must be marked mailed.
    • If the sender clicks "I can mail LATER" when accepting, and then chooses a later mailing date, the book must be marked mailed by 2 days after the alternate mail-by date chosen.
  • The system sends "Mark Mailed" reminder emails to help you avoid cancellation.  You can see those reminders in your Club Communication file, linked from the top of your My Account page.

Q - But I used Printable Postage!  Can't the system tell the book was mailed from that?

A -  No.  If we knew for sure that every mailed package would be scanned by USPS when it was mailed and that USPS would transmit that information to us that day, we could program the rest of the system to mark a book mailed when the scan information came in.  Unfortunately, that is not possible, since the first USPS scan can happen when the book is "en route", and this can happen after the PBS deadline to mark mailed.

Q - Why is it necessary for me to contact the requestor?  Why can't the canceled request just be re-activated?

A - Because there may be a NEW request on the requestor's account page now.   If a book is not marked mailed by the deadline, it will cancel automatically, and the request will be passed along to another member offering a copy of the same book. 

  • If a book is not marked mailed before the deadline, the PBS system cannot know it was mailed
    • Contents of Personal Messages or emails from the sender/requestor will not affect the deadline
    • The deadline cannot be changed once the book request has been accepted
    • The deadline is determined by the sender's choice of mailing dates:
      • If the sender clicks "I can mail in the next 2 days" when accepting, he or she has 5 days before the transaction must be marked mailed.

Q - But I discussed this with the requestor, and she/he knew I was going to mail the book late.  Why didn't that change the deadline?

A - Once the deadline to mark mailed has been set for a request (it is set by the mailby date you choose when accepting), it can't be adjusted.   PM conversations don't affect the deadline.  So if you make an agreement with the requestor to send the book after the mail-by date, just be sure to mark mailed before the deadline (even though you have not mailed).  It is not usually OK to mark mailed more than 24 hours before mailing, but you can do this if the requestor has agreeed to late mailing (see Can I send a book later (after the date I said that I would mail)?). 

Q - But it's not like I forgot!  My computer crashed/my power went out after I had already mailed.

A - We know that this error is not due to carelessness.  No one wants to send a book and not get credit.  Computer crashes and power outages do happen.   If you have a fitful computer that crashes a lot OR it is a season when you may lose internet connection or power due to storms, you may want to get in the habit of marking mailed right before you go to mail.  That way, you will never come home from mailing and find yourself unable to mark mailed. 

Q- I mailed on my way out of town! 

A - The best thing would have been to mark mailed before you left your house to mail and go out of town.  If you realize you have done this, and you have no computer/account access to mark mailed from the road, you can send an email to Librarian@paperbackswap.com explaining the dilemma (and giving the book title) and if we get the email before the deadline to mark mailed, we will be happy to mark the book mailed for you.

Q - Okay, I got the cancellation notification email and I sent a PM to the requestor saying "I mailed the book. Please give me credit when you get it."  Isn't that good enough?

A - No.  Your PM needs to explain to the requestor that if there is a new request she should cancel it.  She may see the new request on her account page and have no idea that it is NOT with you.  If you are clear (and use the information given in the sample PM above) then the requestor will know what to do to prevent herself from getting 2 copies (and she will be able to mark yours received when she gets it as described in I received a book from a canceled transaction!).

Q - I didn't forget to mark mailed - I clicked "Cancel Order" by mistake after I had mailed.  Is there anything different about what I need to do in this situation?

A - Not much.  You should modify the PM text above, to say that you canceled by mistake, but otherwise you should do the same as if the system canceled.  When the requestor goes to mark your book mailed, it is possible that she won't have a "Was this Book Received?" button in the Transaction Archive (if a sender cancels, this button will not be there).  So instead she can just give you credit using the Give Credit button on your Profile or Bookshelf, as described in How do I give credits to other members?

Q - The requestor says she got my book but she can't mark it received from the Transaction Archive - there isn't any "Was this Book Received?" button.

A - This means that either you canceled by mistake (sender-canceled transactions won't have the button), or she removed the button using the follow-up options at some point after the cancellation.  She can just give you credit using the Give Credit button on your Profile or Bookshelf, as described in How do I give credits to other members?.  

Q - The requestor says she got my book and she marked it received, but I didn't get credit.  What happened?

A - She probably got your copy but marked the SECOND sender's copy received, from the active transaction on her My Account page.  She was obligated to do that, if a second sender sent the book.  Information about this is in the Help doc I received 2 copies of the same book!.

Q - I don't understand why you even have the Mark Mailed step.  Why is it necessary? Mailing is the important part!

A - We didn't start out having the step when we first launched in 2004.  But the need for it very quickly became apparent.  Without some idea of when the book was mailed, the system had no idea when to declare it "lost" and swaps were in chaos.  After we added the final, affirmative step of marking the book mailed to complete the sending process, everything started going much more smoothly.  If we didn't have to have that step we wouldn't.  But we know from experience that it is absolutely necessary for the sender to tell the system the book was mailed.



Last Edited on: 2/8/17 8:58 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 2/8/2017 9:14 AM ET
Member Since: 3/4/2009
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Oh my...such a complicated process for such a simple problem.  I just mailed the receiver with the message you have given, so hopefully she can mark mailed on her end.

Date Posted: 2/8/2017 10:18 AM ET
Member Since: 6/2/2014
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The receiver can't mark it mailed, only received. She can't mark it received either because the request was cancelled. Is it a wl book? Is it being offered to someone else?

Date Posted: 2/8/2017 12:56 PM ET
Member Since: 3/25/2014
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D. Y. M. Hopefully the book you sent is the only copy otherwise the system will order another copy for the receiver.  Then the sender can end up with 2 copies of the book.  

Date Posted: 2/8/2017 1:26 PM ET
Member Since: 6/30/2007
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The best course of action is to contact PBS and the receiver to let them know it actually was sent. Let the receiver know the system will rollover to the next sender but you're trying to get it corrected.  Let them know you have contacted PBS about it and if PBS can catch it in time they possibly may be able to reset it for you.

Date Posted: 2/8/2017 6:57 PM ET
Member Since: 1/23/2014
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The receiver CAN mark it received from their transaction archive.  I know this because I've done it when a few or more senders that forgot to mark their book as mailed (when they did mail it on time).

Also, if by chance the receiver doesn't can't figure out how to mark it received in their transaction archive, they can always give you a credit, aka "friend" credit. 



Last Edited on: 2/8/17 7:01 PM ET - Total times edited: 2
Date Posted: 2/8/2017 7:38 PM ET
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I just checked my transaction archive and none of the books cancelled had a way to mark it received. It said details and a place to pm the other member but nothing else.

How did you mark a cancelled transaction received from your transaction archive? It would be useful to know.

Date Posted: 2/8/2017 7:54 PM ET
Member Since: 1/23/2014
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In my T.A., it didn't work looking for books cancelled by the sender, so I had to pull up All Transcations (All books requested by me).

It looks like it won't work, option won't appear on cancellations due to RC declines or other reasons that a sender declines or if it times out.

I found a few recent requests where the sender accepted the request, not sure about whether or not the wrapper was printed or not.

On those, there's a button to click on at the botoom of the transaction on the right that doesn't appear on the other cancellations.  It says:  Was Book Received?

Then, you'd go from there after clicking on that button.

Date Posted: 2/8/2017 11:33 PM ET
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Ahhh ok, Thank you! :-)

Date Posted: 2/9/2017 12:24 AM ET
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Your welcome.  I was in a hurry when I typed that and have since realized that the sender has to click on print wrapper, or hand-write address (can't remember exact wording) in order to get the requestors address to mail it to the requestor.

(Unfortunately for me, in the few examples I found for me for seeing that button, I don't think the sender ever sent the books.)



Last Edited on: 2/9/17 12:29 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Cathy A. (Cathy) - ,
Date Posted: 2/9/2017 10:28 AM ET
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If the sender never saw your address, then PBS knows for sure that the book wasn't sent to you, so you won't have a button in your Transaction Archive to mark the book received. This is good, because sometimes people get confused and think "wait, I know I did read that book" so they mark it received, even though the one they got was a different copy from a different sender that they had already marked received.

If the sender did see your address (i.e. if he/she printed or viewed the mailing label), then it's possible that he/she did send the book, so you in that case your Transaction Archive will have the button that allows you to mark the book received. 

Date Posted: 2/9/2017 11:02 AM ET
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There will be a big Red X in the transaction archive when the person did not mark mailed.

Hover over the Red X (click on Red X if on iPad) to see the reason for the unsuccessful transaction.