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Subject: Matched ISBN, but different binding
Date Posted: 9/25/2011 11:32 AM ET
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I posted a book that was the correct ISBN, but a different binding.  I noticed that there were other copies that were marked in the notes "NOT leatherbound" so I added that note. 

You can imagine where this is going, eh?...The person that requested it was upset it was not leatherbound.  Do the notes not show up anywhere?

I've refunded her credit, but I am confused as to what happened.  Also, do I contact Paperback Swap?  There were several other copies also not leatherbound, I'm sure this will happen again.

How do the "notes" work?  Are requestors unable to see them? 

Date Posted: 9/25/2011 11:38 AM ET
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The Notes that show up as a little yellow post it on the book are only visable to those who make them.

Tags show up on all books but using them to describe a posted books condition is not allowed.  The tag shows up on all copies not just yours.  They cannot be used to notify people that a book is a different binding or damaged in some way.  Becasue there's no way to know which copy you are ordering-the 1 tagged "not leatherbound" or one that is leatherbound.

You should have posted the book without an ISBN. 

The other tags should probably be reported as inappropriate tags.  There's a little box that appears near tags to report one. Although it's possible that the person(s) who tagged it this way did so because they beleive the listing is in error and not because they are sending out their books incorrectly.  You can submit a data edit but they won't change the binding in the system unless you can prove that it never existed as leatherbound under that ISBN.

Cathy A. (Cathy) - ,
Date Posted: 9/25/2011 11:43 AM ET
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Notes and tags are private. Other members can see tags if they have that option turned on, but they have no way to know who used the tag. If there are 12 copies of a book avaialble and 2 people tagged it "not leatherbound", there's no way for the person requesting the book to know whether the copy that's first in line has that tag or not. This is why you should not use tags to talk about the condition of a specific copy of a book.

If you find a book where the binding type doesn't match your book, and the database has something like board book or leatherbound, you can contact PBS and ask them to change to hardcover. When you post a book here, the only choices are paperback, hardcover, audio cassette, audio CD, and other. Everything else gets imported with the database that PBS uses, and they'll change the non-standard bindings to the standard one that includes it if you ask. You definitely should not post your book until after the listing has been fixed though.

Date Posted: 9/25/2011 12:44 PM ET
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Problem: You enter the ISBN on your paperback and the book Listing Preview says "hardcover" (or vice versa - you have a hardcover and the preview says "paperback").

This means one of three things:

1.  Your book is an Advanced Reader Copy (ARC)

If your book is a paperback, and the ISBN brings up a Book Listing Preview that says "hardcover", please check your book to be sure it is not an ARC.   If it is an ARC, it cannot be Posted for swapping at PBS.

Solution: You can offer this book to others in the Book Bazaar Discussion Forum (read the "How to Use this Forum" topic there before you Post!) but you must not post it to your PBS account Bookshelf.

2. The publisher chose to assign the same ISBN to more than one version of this title.

Publishers sometime choose to assign the same ISBN to multiple versions of a book.  However, PBS can attach only ONE booktype to the listing for an ISBN.  If your book does not have the booktype assigned to the ISBN in the PBS database, you will need to post it with a customized listing, using the Post a Book Without an ISBN link on the Post Books page, so that the booktype matches your book.

Solution: You will need to post this book with a customized listing for the book, using the "Post Books without an ISBN" link on the Post Books page.

Date Posted: 9/25/2011 5:03 PM ET
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When you post a book you are required to answer a question that 4 items match, one of those items is binding type. If your binding type doesn't match, then you cannot post by ISBN, Tagging or noting the book doesn't change that.

From the Help Center section on posting a book:

Confirm that your book matches the information in the Book Listing Preview

  • You will see the text below the Book Listing Preview:

    This is how your book listing will appear in the PBS library.

    Do the Title, Author, ISBN and Book Type match your book EXACTLY?

    Please note: book cover image shown does NOT need to match your book.

  • If all of the information (ISBN, title, author, booktype) on the Book Listing Preview matches your book EXACTLY click . Do not click Refresh on your browser while the button reads "Processing..." Doing this may cause the book to be Posted twice.


If your book does NOT match the information in the Book Listing Preview:

  • If it is a minor difference, such as a misspelled title or the wrong author first name, you can post the book and submit corrections afterward using the Edit Book Data link.
  • If the booktype is different (if your book is a paperback, and the Preview shows hardcover, for example): You will need to post the book without an ISBN
  • If the book title says "(Large Print)" and your book is regular-size font: You will need to post the book without an ISBN

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Date Posted: 9/25/2011 8:12 PM ET
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PBS can and will only change the binding type listed if it's a true error, i.e. that ISBN is ONLY found in binding type X, but is listed as binding type Y. If the ISBN is used for more than one edition, and therefore more than one binding type, whichever binding type is listed will remain, and books with that ISBN in the other binding type will need to be posted as non-ISBN items.

Cathy A. (Cathy) - ,
Date Posted: 9/26/2011 12:02 AM ET
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They will definitely change things like Board Book (for an adult book) and Leatherbound to Hardcover if you ask. It's much harder to get Paperback changed to Hardcover or vice versa.

Date Posted: 9/26/2011 11:45 AM ET
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Thanks everybody for the responses.  I should have known better than to post that book!  Oh well, live and learn!  Tags and notes confuse me. 

Date Posted: 9/26/2011 12:17 PM ET
Member Since: 1/17/2009
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Nobody except you can see your note.

Everybody can see your tag, but tags apply to a book listing in the general sense, not to a specific copy. So, a tag like "female detective" or "released 10/1/2011" is OK, a tag like "ripped cover" is not OK. Most people neither use nor read tags, anyway.

Tags are intended for people to use to convey information about the book that is not easily discovered any other way, but that is still something that many people might be interested in knowing (or to use to find books). Like "female detective" or "serial killer".

Tags are clickable, and every book with a particular tag will be shown in a list. So, they can be used to "search" for books.

Date Posted: 9/26/2011 12:26 PM ET
Member Since: 8/23/2007
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I use the Note feature to mark books as unpostable.  Or with the few books I have without an ISBN or where the ISNB brings up a different book-I put one from the system in and use the Note feature to say: "mine is hardcover-post w/o ISBN" or "unpostable" or "have non-ISBN edition".  The Note feature is also handy for figuring out series order.  I'll put a Note on book 2 of a series if I still need to acquire book 1 or 3 and if the library has it or not.  Stuff like that.

I do a virtual box in the games forum where we trade unpostable books.  Before they created the Book Lists-I tagged my unpostable books. But I put something to make it personal: my dogs name+ unpostable.  So it was obvious to others that it was a personal list that someone created for their own info while also being a list that I could bring up. But you can't tag a book "no dust jacket" or "water damaged" or something like that and expect people to know that it applies to your copy when it's ordered. 

Last Edited on: 9/26/11 12:29 PM ET - Total times edited: 1