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Subject: new documentary- 'For the Bible Tells Me So'
Date Posted: 1/6/2008 4:20 PM ET
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anyone see this yet?  It sounds interesting...

'For the Bible Tells Me So'  http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/214721
Filmmaker Daniel Karslake, who grew up in central Pennsylvania, has received international acclaim for his documentary

By JAMES BUESCHER, Correspondent
Sunday News

Published: Jan 06, 2008 12:08 AM EST

YORK - When Christians talk about homosexuality, the discussion inevitably comes around to a certain Bible verse: "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination" (Leviticus 18:22).

The verse, like the Bible itself, has inspired impassioned debate, and the issue of homosexuality within the church is a divisive one. Just ask filmmaker and central Pennsylvania native Daniel Karslake, whose documentary "For the Bible Tells Me So" explores Christian attitudes toward homosexuality.

The film, which has been shortlisted for an Academy Award, focuses on five conservative Christian families who had to address homosexuality at home. Karslake's subjects include Gene Robinson, the first openly gay bishop in the Episcopal Church, and former U.S. representative and presidential candidate Dick Gephardt, whose daughter Chrissy is gay.

Among the respected figures lending their voices to the documentary are Bishop Desmond Tutu, Harvard's Peter Gomes, Orthodox Rabbi Steve Greenberg and the Rev. Jimmy Creech.........

Date Posted: 1/6/2008 8:45 PM ET
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 Thanks for the post. I will have to look into it...well, when it is available on dvd as I am sure it will not be in any movie houses around where I live.

Date Posted: 1/6/2008 9:02 PM ET
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I would like to watch this documentary for sure.

Date Posted: 1/7/2008 10:26 AM ET
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The documentary "For the Bible Tells Me So" was featured in the January segment of "In the Life".  (link)  It did sound interesting.




Date Posted: 1/7/2008 2:54 PM ET
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Thanks Sam for bringing this to our attention.  I'm going to keep an eye on it & hopefully when it comes out on DVD, we can get it for the center.

This part of the article really hit home for me:

His profile of Monroe prompted an e-mail from a teenager in Iowa that would change Karslake's life. In it, the youth told him: "Last week I bought the gun. Yesterday I wrote the note. Last night I happened to see your show on PBS, and just knowing that someday, somewhere, I might be able to go back into a church with my head held high, I dropped the gun in the river. My mom never has to know."

"It made me realize that, out in the middle of the country, gay young people are caught in the spiritual cross hairs," Karslake said. "By coming out, gay teens risk losing their families, their
churches and, to their way of thinking, even God. I wanted to do something that would ... elevate the conversation and show that there are a very large number of learned, spiritual people who happen to disagree with Jerry Falwell."

The fact that even ONE child has to get to the point where they actually buy a gun to commit suicide because of religion just makes me so angry & sad at the same time.  When are religious types who spout hatred going to get it??? 

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Date Posted: 1/7/2008 5:23 PM ET
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This may be a little OT, but is there a verse in the bible that condemns lesbianism?  The leviticus only refers to male homosexuality.  Its not really important, but my sister & I have always used that point when arguing with people who say that her being a lesbian is a sin, and I was wondering if we were right?  (Neither of us has ever read the entire bible)

L. G. (L)
Date Posted: 1/7/2008 6:05 PM ET
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It sounds like an interesting doc, but I still don't get the hypocricy.  No matter what any religious text says, is it right to deny rights to a group of people simply because they love differently than you do?  How can people live with that moral choice?  That's what I don't get.



Date Posted: 1/10/2008 3:00 PM ET
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I'll have to put this dvd on my netflix list when it comes out, seems really interesting.

You know, not too long ago I got into a heated exchange with some holy-rollin', holier-than-thou, bible-thumpin' butthole jesus freak on an amazon.com forum about this very subject. He kept throwing around that same leviticus quote, and I calmly informed him that according to leviticus, eating shellfish and shaving your hair/beard in a certain manner also qualify as abominations. I then suggested that while he's out picketing gay peoples' funerals alongside Fred Phelps, he should also stop in front of any Red Lobster restaurants and barber shops and accost the customers, as they are "sinning" as well. He then proceded to hurl even more bible quotes in my direction, accused me of mocking the bible, then stated (I kid you not) that if it weren't for Jesus and the bible we wouldn't have the days of the week or holidays (even though the days of the week are named after pagan gods and most of our holidays are derived from pagan ones is completely beside the point.) I swear, I would've had better luck talking to a friggin' wall...

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Date Posted: 1/11/2008 5:19 AM ET
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Yeah, once those who use Leviticus to condemn homosexuals start following ALL the laws laid down there, well then, maybe I would have a wee bit of respect for them.  Hypocrites pick and choose.  Either you take it all or you take none of it.

Date Posted: 1/16/2008 9:28 AM ET
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Agreed, you can't point to Leviticus without pointing at shellfish, shaving, et al.  Through research and >5000 years, we now see, for example, that shellfish (and pork) is wonderful, you won't go blind if you touch yourself, and male homosexuality is not an 'abomination'.

What I find amusing, is even back when the Bible was being written, only male homosexuality was forbidden.  Girl-girl was as cool back then as is now.



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Date Posted: 1/16/2008 12:45 PM ET
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"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination" (Leviticus 18:22)

Actually, if the "you" addressed happens to be female, I think it's demanding lesbianism.

I think serious readers will want to learn the original Hebrew and Greek that might've been misinterpreted. Maybe it means "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. I tried it once and it was messy"?

Date Posted: 2/4/2008 10:33 AM ET
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bumping this up to add... the website now has listings of where it is being shown in Feb & Mrch... Charlie there is a March showing in Bethlem... is that close to you?


Date Posted: 3/9/2008 8:18 PM ET
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I watched this this weekend.  Very powerful.  I think it should be required viewing.

Date Posted: 3/26/2008 10:56 PM ET
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I just saw this at a local indie theater and the director Daniel Karslake was there and did a q&a after.  I was shaking, it was such a powerful experience. Now there are mainstream church groups showing it daily and high schools watching & discussing it, which is so great.  Daniel Karslake was an amazing speaker, he talked about the decision to include a disturbing photo of a young woman who'd commited suicide and how the only non-response he had from a prospective interviewee was from the Cheney family.  It was an all-around incredible experience.

Date Posted: 3/27/2008 7:21 PM ET
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LOL, I just saw Dave's reply - I'll have to mention that to my rabbis!!

And you're right of course, if you read it the Torah - in Hebrew and in context, it's different than what you'd read in the christian bibles.  But then, so many things in Torah are!!

Date Posted: 3/28/2008 3:17 PM ET
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I'm sooo excited.  I'm getting it on Netflix.  It will be in my mailbox tomorrow!

Date Posted: 4/4/2008 4:15 PM ET
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Saw this at my church last night. Excellent film. I was crying at some points.

It is respectful to Christianity and the Bible while pointing out the mistakes gay haters make in reference to the Bible.

Date Posted: 9/27/2008 8:40 AM ET
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If you haven't seen this film yet, please go out & rent it!!  We watched it last night & its message is very powerful, I was crying (heavily) by the end of the film.  There were a lot of times that various parts or people in the film touched my heart or hit a nerve.  Lots of great information and personal stories.  I have even more respect now for Bishop Gene Robinson & Desmond Tutu.  Wow.  What Gene Robinson had to go through, the hate mail & death threats that he received when he was in the process of becoming a bishop.  Did you know that he had a bullet proof vest under his robes during the ceremony?  I think what really got to me (and caused so much emotion for me) was how damaging some christian churches can be to the human soul.  How hurtful and at times hateful 'their' message comes across, all for the sake of their religion.  I'm still processing the message of this film and all that was presented, including people that were interviewed.