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I'm very much new here. I belong to another trading site, but I wanted to try this one out since it's just books. It's taken me a while to get started because simply put...this seems to be a very confusing site! One main thing I wanted to know was is there a way to see details of the conditions of the books being traded? I just listed a whole bunch of books and it never asked me to describe condition like other sites do. I don't get that...how do you know if you're trading a new book for a very used book? I know there are books you shouldn't post if they are in VERY bad shape, but I still think you should be able to see conditions on both sides before accepting any trades. Did I miss where to do this somewhere? I'm still unsure of many other things...like the credits and things like that (especially the free book thing), but the condition question was my main concern. Thanks in advance for any help on this! |
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All books must meet the guidelines. There is no details about the individual book. But there is a way to mark a received book if it does not meet the guidelines. (AKA RWAP, Received With A Problem) From help: When you Post a book, you are asked to confirm that the book is "in good condition, and not excessively worn". It is impossible to list all of the ways in which a book might be considered excessively worn, but the criteria below are as comprehensive as we have been able to make them.If you feel your book falls into a "grey area", you can either post the book and send a Personal Message to the requestor, or not post the book. We have delineated what we can, and we expect members to follow these guidelines, and use their common sense in cases that are unclear. If you would not mind "paying" a credit for a book you are considering posting, then it is probably okay to post. However, book condition can be a subjective matter. Keep in mind that a pattern of sending out poor-condition or inappropriate books will jeopardize a sender's membership.These Guidelines are not suggestions. They are criteria to which all books Posted here MUST comply. All of the information below apply both to swapping for credits and Box-O-Books swapping.General remarks:
Guidelines:Overall Condition:
Dust Jacket:
Cover:
Binding:
Pages:
Audiobooks
Interactive books
Supplementary/Accompanying Materials:
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Thanks for the quick response! Sadly, it doesn't look like this is going to be a place for me. It's way too confusing and I like knowing conditions of books before I get them. Also, I just got a request for a book I just put up. But I'm not getting any book in return...something else that confuses me. I thought this was a swapping site? But according to the email I got, I would get one credit to give someone else the book. From what I read somewhere, you need 10 credits to get a free book. So does that mean I'd have to ship out 10 books just to get one?? Seems a bit unfair. I don't get the credit thing at all. I like my trades one for one, and knowing what I'm getting and what I have to trade for it at the time of transaction. I just spent all this time adding books, but I'm going to have to cancel now. It seems this site works for some people otherwise it wouldn't be here, but I just don't get it. =/ |
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The site is actually very easy to use. When you send someone a book, you get 1 credit. Then you can use that credit to request a book. Everytime you send someone a book, you will get 1 credit. You get 2 free credits for joining the site once you post 10 books. Depending on the books you post. some may be ordered immediately ( especially if they are wish list), but others may sit on your shelf for a while. I have been a member for about a year and a half, 99% of the books met the book condition guidelines. When they don't, you can mark it a rwap- and ask for the credit back- sometimes you will get it, sometimes you won't. |
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I just spent all this time adding books... Just a tip should you decide to stay: if you click on the Post Books tab, then Post Multiple Books, you can add up to 100 books at a time by entering each ISBN in the little boxes. I've tried a few different bookswapping sites before choosing this one and it really is the easiest and quickest as far as adding books goes. Also, if you want books in a condition over and above the site's minimum requirements, you can add a Requestor Condition under the Settings tab. |
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I'm not getting why you start offering books for trade without reading up on any of hte rules and such. When I joined, I took a few days to read the rules and help docs before I posted and sent out any books. I find this site much, much easier to use then bookmooch. The forums there suck and it's hard to find any information over there. People don't always list the flaws of a book, there's no posting guidelines so nothing you can do if you get a crappy book. And with no lines for book it can take forever to get a WL book there. |
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I wouldn't do the multiple book posting at a time without investigating if they are WL or not. Unless you can afford to mail out half of them in a week. I personally can't afford to have 100 credits tied up in a book trading site. Not many people can these days. I know from personal experience that if you just start posting large quantities of books w/o checking their status first, you can end up mailing 20 or 30 books a week for awhile. The upside of doing a site where you get pts or credits for your books instead of doing a book for book trade-is that you don't have to wait to find someone who has a book you want to move yours out. You can send them out and then use your pts on a book you really want. Last Edited on: 1/5/11 7:13 AM ET - Total times edited: 1 |
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Welcome to PBS, Kimberly. While I can't tell you whether or not you should stay, I can say that I (like many others) enjoy this site, and find it quite easy to use. Because this site operates on a first-in, first-out (FIFO) basis, a description of book condition is irrelevant. What this means is that books that are posted first are sent out first. So if you are posting the 10th copy of a book, orders for that book will go to the 9 members who have posted that book before you -- then it's your turn. When you order a book, your order goes to the member whose copy of the book was posted before any of the other available copies. As indicated above, posted books must meet certain criteria. If you want books that exceed those criteria (e.g., hardbacks must have dust jackets, no books from smokers' homes, etc.), you are welcome to add a requestor's condition (RC). If you receive books that do not meet the basic criteria or your RCs, then you mark them RWAP (received with a problem) and may ask for your credit back -- which may or may not happen depending on the circumstances and the sender. Personally, almost all books that I've received have been in very good to excellent condition. As Adrienne noted, for every book you send out, you get one credit (audio books are worth two credits). When you join and post your initial 10 books, you are given two credits as a "welcome" gift which you may then spend on available books. If you want books that are not available, you can put them on your wish list (WL) -- which operates on a first-come, first-serve basis. As Mary suggested, it would probably be worth your while to read through some of the help documents and the Questions about PBS Discussion Forum, especially the Tips for New Members thread. Happy swapping! Last Edited on: 1/5/11 9:05 AM ET - Total times edited: 1 |
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Welcome to the site! I'm sorry you are finding the site confusing, but I hope you hang in here. I've tried a couple of other swapping sites with not much success. I like being able to send a book and get the credit to order something else. I use site postage so I get my credit upon mailing. I'm surprised you didn't read up on the posting guidelines and swapping before posting anything, but before getting discouraged I hope you give it some time. The site has pretty good posting restrictions and you can also add requestor conditions as someone stated above. I have no books from smoking home (due to allergies) and dustjackets on hardcovers. I have been here almost 2 years now and have had very good success here. I also joined swapadvd (sister site) and I like that I can transfer credits among the sites too. I had a lot of trouble getting swaps approved on another site and a lot of hassles, but I have been very happy here. I hope you will be too. |
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From what I read somewhere, you need 10 credits to get a free book. This is NOT TRUE. You need only 1 credit to get a book (2 credits for audiobooks). Like others have mentioned, I suggest you spend some time reading the rules of the site - you can find everything you need to know in the Help Docs. This site is relatively easy to use but you may be confused because you are thinking of the way other swapping sites work which is different as to how PBS works. Just don't compare PBS to other sites, read the rules and once you understand how things work, then you would be able to make an informed decision as to whether PBS works for you or not. I hope you'll find the site useful and you'll stay!
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Don't give up so easily. Take a few moments to look through the help topics; and you'll be on your way to swapping books in no time. Once you get the hang of it, it is very, very easy. Plus, the majority of folks around here are more than happy to help out. Heck just look, in about 7 hours you got 10 responses to your post.
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Welcome Kimberly, If you stay and see how it works, it will all make sense. One credit for one book. As for condition beyond what others have said, obviously a well read 10 year old paperback may show more wear than a newer less read hardback of poetry. Here it is more about finding the books you like to read and share. They still need to meet postability guide lines and some books you receive are like new, but it is not guaranteed. If you like to read, you will like it here. Stay for awhile and give us a chance. |
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I have say...most of the books I have received are in awesome like new condition....you should give the site a chance before you leave
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As you've seen, the site has basic conditions the books have to meet before anyone can post books. I hope you'll read the conditions carefully, because it could cause problems if any of the books you've already posted don't meet the basic requirements! So I'd go back and check them to make sure. If not, you can remove them from offer to the club. That's why you should always read a site's rules before actually doing anything. All sites have different rules, and you want to make sure you're following all of them before joining in. If you want books in better condition than the site requires, you can fill out a "Requestor Condition" and when ever anyone gets an order from you they will see the extra conditions you're asking for. It could be that you don't want books from a smoking household. You can request that they not come from one. Then the person who gets your book request can accept or deny your request. If they deny and there are more books in the system, your request will go to the next person in line. You have to remember that the site works on the FIFO system. First In, First Out. So the books you post will wait in a line and they'll be requested when the books in line first have been ordered. Showing the condition of every book would slow the site down, because you're not going to see a whole list of people with the book you're looking for. You'll just see the first person in line. That's why the site has basice requirements on book conditions. You know you should get a book that meets basic standards, and you can request anything above and beyond that and let the system find the right book for you. |
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I wouldn't do the multiple book posting at a time without investigating if they are WL or not. Good point Mary. |
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Well said Cindy! Welcome to PBS Kimberly, I hope you give PBS a chance (or at least become familiar with the guidelines) before you make a final decision. Oops - Kimberly's account is showing suspended/closed. So apparently she waited a couple months before looking at the rules then left in a couple hours. Last Edited on: 1/5/11 2:41 PM ET - Total times edited: 1 |
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Wow, she could have at least given it a fair chance, instead of just having wrong assumptions (ten credits per book, for example) and leaving based on those. She didn't even really try to figure it out first. :-( It's not confusing at all after the first couple transactions you do. It's only the first time that it can be a little confusing figuring everything out. This is why I wish people would read the Help Docs before leaping right in and posting books and everything. I read a good portion of them first, to see what I was getting into, before even joining the site. That way, I could make sure the books I posted were in acceptable condition. Then, when I got my first request, I could jump right in, because I knew what to do and how everything worked. I don't know why people make a commitment to something like this without knowing what they're agreeing to. |
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She's gone before I even got to this topic! Bummer, I wanted to tell her about Tour Guides to help her navigate the site and clarify anything she didn't understand from the Help Center... |
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Well, at least there's TONS of excellent advice here for other newbies. It is a shame, though. |
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That's why I think there should be something more than just jump in and get free books. I know it's changed since I joined, but there just isn't any incentive to look for and find the rules and read them. But lots of incentive to just list books to get free credits. I think in some way that every newbie should have to go through the rules and maybe answer a simple test at the end before getting their credits. Nothing too hard, but enough to say that 1) They've had all the rules in front of them and had a chance to read them, and 2) understood enough of the basics to have answered some questions correctly. I think it's just too simple to jump in and post books without having to actually have read any of the instructions. Too many people don't even seem to know there are rules. |
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I always wonder why people don't just use common sense and explore the site before they just jump in and start postng books. When I joined, before I posted my first book, I looked to see if there were books I wanted listed, what the rules were etc.., It's not hard to find. You can find the answer to almost any question abotu PBS in the Help Center which is easy to find. |
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I looked everything over before signing up because I did not want to commit to anything like the " Book of The Month Club" LOL And if I can navigate this site anyone can. I was only confused by the alphabet of terms I kept seeing that everyone seemed to know: RC , DC, MM, PO,etc..LOL |
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I always wonder why people don't just use common sense and explore the site before they just jump in and start postng books. When I joined, before I posted my first book, I looked to see if there were books I wanted listed, what the rules were etc.., It's not hard to find. You can find the answer to almost any question abotu PBS in the Help Center which is easy to find. I could not agree more Mary! I do not understand how someone just signs up and starts posting books and THEN they start asking basic questions that they should have taken the time to read up on before joining or at least before posting books for swap. I've looked at other swap sites too. Not signed up for any of them, but I've spent time looking at how they work to determine if their system would work for me. I spent a while reading up on the basics of PBS before I joined and even after I signed up so I'd know what I was doing. |
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Me too. I looked at every book trading site out there before I picked PBS. Then I learned the basic rules before I spent any money on postage. |
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Well, when I first joined I found the help docs very hard to find in the first place. And then hard to search to answer questions. I still think they are very hard to search unless you already know the wording that you are searching for. (I work in technical documentation, so I have a lot of opinions on the usefulness and organization of the help docs. I won't bore you guys to death.) But I spent probably 8 or 10 hours reading this forum before I joined. And, that pretty much told me everything I needed to know. From that I figured out roughly how active the site was, how it worked, what kinds of problems people run into, and how they get solved. I was very favorably impressed by the forums, and that's basically why I joined. I don't blame people for not wanting to read those help docs. I personally think there should be a big button right on the PBS home page that says "How Does This Site Work?" instead of burying that in a help menu. |
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