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Subject: One credit? Four books? Resolved, thanks for the help!
Date Posted: 4/2/2010 1:45 PM ET
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I posted a set of books, they have an ISBN for the whole set of four.  I have the original case they came in with all four books inside and it was just requested, I accepted and then saw it was only worth one credit!!!!  I don't understand why though, because it is a set of four books.  They are separate books, not just one large book.  I'm not sure what I should do, any suggestions? 



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Date Posted: 4/2/2010 2:08 PM ET
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That's just the way sets of books work on PBS. If the books in your set each have their own ISBN, you could cancel the book order for the set and then post the books separately to those ISBNs for 4 credits.

You could also offer the set in the Book Bazaar for four credits, and see if someone wants the whole set.

Date Posted: 4/2/2010 2:09 PM ET
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The books do have their own ISBNS, but I wanted to give them away as a set because they still have the original case.  Why are sets only worth one when there are multiple books?  Should I PM the member and see if they want it, I would be willing to deal with them.  Or like you said I could cancel and post in the bazaar. 

Date Posted: 4/2/2010 2:38 PM ET
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Well if it was me & someone posted a set of books as one order and I only had to give 1 credit then all of a sudden the sender was pming me to tell me they wanted 3 more credits, I wouldn't be very happy and would probably report them. So maybe you should cancel if the one credit isn't what you want.

Date Posted: 4/2/2010 3:06 PM ET
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Report for what?  There are four books, so by PBS standards it should be worth 4 credits.  I think it has to be a mistake,.  One credit for four books isn't fair to me. 

Shelly -
Date Posted: 4/2/2010 3:31 PM ET
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Per PBS rules you can NOT ask for more credits then what they say it is worth. Sets are only one credit. It doesn't matter that there is 4 books or 30 books in the set, a SET is 1 credit. Is it right? I don't think so. The only way around it is to cancel the request and post each book separately or post in the BB. Some people also don't like how a HB is only worth one credit either because they normally cost more to ship.

ETA: PBS rules.

Can I offer/ask more credits (more than PBS 'price') for a book?

No.

  • A bound book "costs" 1 credit at PBS (no exceptions)

  • An audiobook "costs" 2 credits at PBS 

    • some "children's-length" audiocassette items cost 1 credit each

Offering to "pay" (or asking a requestor to "pay"--see below) more than "PBS price" for a book is not permitted. 



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Date Posted: 4/2/2010 3:33 PM ET
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It's not a PBS mistake, it's your mistake for not reading the rules before posting.  Sorry if that sounds harsh, but fair or not, those are the rules.  You can post each individually to get all four credits or offer the books in the Book Bazaar to make sure they go to a single person.

How do I post my 'boxed set' of books?

If each of the books bears a unique ISBN, you can Post each as a separate entity

  • this way, you will earn a credit for each.

If the "box" holding the boxed set bears an ISBN, you can post with that number, BUT

  • this way, you will earn only ONE credit for the SET.

There is not a way to post the books individually yet require one member to take all of them and award you all of the credits for the one bulk request.

If you do post the books individually and want to send them all to one member:

  • you can start a topic in the Book Bazaar Discussion Forum to advise members that you have a boxed set.
  • Another member may be glad to learn of this and request all of the books from you using the bulk request "order more books from this member" feature.
Date Posted: 4/2/2010 3:41 PM ET
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I would post the set as the individual book number ISBNs.  I had a box set of Lord of the Rings and rather than post it for one credit I posted the books individually.  It didn't matter to me that the set was 'torn apart', I wanted and got all my credits.

The only thing that could happen is if it is a WL book, the system may not recognize the ISBN of the individual book (they often have odd ISBNs ending with an X) and it may not end up as a WL book even if it is one.

But I totally agree that a set of four books should be four credits.

Date Posted: 4/2/2010 3:45 PM ET
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But I totally agree that a set of four books should be four credits.              +1

Cancel and post your four books in the book bazaar, or one of the genre threads.  Give preference to members requesting multiples/set but be willing to seperate the books if you want all four credits.

Date Posted: 4/2/2010 3:50 PM ET
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I would PM the person it was offered to. Tell them that you did not realize posting the set by its ISBN would only be worth 1 credit and you cannot offer it for that so you will be cancelling the request. If you decide to offer it in the Book Bazaar, tell the person that you will be doing that and give them a chance at getting the set.

The way the data is in PBS's database, there is no way for the system to know that an ISBN attaches to one book or four books, it isn't tracked like that of DVDs or CDs. That is why they put the warning in the Help Center.

No one can make you send the set out for 1 credit. But you also cannot post something that the system says is worth one credit and tell the requester that they have to pay you more than that to get it, that's not fair to the person who wish listed it either. If you don't want to offer by breaking it up and posting it, or offering it in the Bazaar, then you will be able to offer it on PBS.



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Date Posted: 4/2/2010 4:10 PM ET
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I wasn't going to tell them they had to give me more credits, to be clear, I was going to offer them the chance to get the books before I cancelled the order.  I have never done a box set and didn't realize it went for only one credit, I have read the rules for posting but I forgot about the box set.  I can't remember everything.  I didn't know about the ISBN not being able to track for multipe books, since the ISBN was on the box, not each book.  They all have their own ISBN, so I listed the boxed one figuring it would be for all 4 as a set...

Thank you for all the help you have given me! 

Date Posted: 4/2/2010 4:11 PM ET
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You may want to reconsider and do some research. If the books aren't that popular, they may sit on you shelf for a long time. People make 4/1 deals in the bazaar all the time. Sometimes it's better to send them out for less credit than have them hanging around for an extended period. If you think you'll eventually get the 4 credits, post them seperately and hope for the best.

Good luck.

Date Posted: 4/2/2010 4:16 PM ET
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I wasn't trying to get 4 credits, I was thinking about 2 instead.  I just didn't think it fair to be getting one credit for four books just because they are a set and I wanted to keep them that way... 

Date Posted: 4/2/2010 4:21 PM ET
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I agree with you about the credits. Unfortunately the system isn't set up that way. I just wanted to give you another angle to look at.

Date Posted: 4/2/2010 7:13 PM ET
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Just to counter the poster with the harsh "I would be pissed if you PM'ed me about getting four books for 1 credit", I would not be in the least bothered by such a PM.  It is very easy to make a mistake on this site even if you have read all the rules and regulations.  There are way too many nuances to trading here for everyone to be able to keep it all straight without practice.  I am sure the person ordering the book would much rather receive a PM from you before you cancel, so why not give it a try.

Date Posted: 4/3/2010 6:50 AM ET
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+1 what Katie said.  If I got a PM from you explaining what you have said in this forum, I would gladly buddy an additional credit for the set.

Date Posted: 4/3/2010 4:21 PM ET
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Agree with Debbie.  (And kate).  I would rather get the chance to make a deal first after waiting for WL then to see it cancelled and then offered later in BB. 

Date Posted: 4/3/2010 5:07 PM ET
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It is against PBS rules for someone to ask for more credits than an ISBN is worth.  If the posted ISBN is worth 1 credit, it is against the rules to PM the requestor and ask for an additional credit or credits.

Date Posted: 4/3/2010 9:31 PM ET
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"Report for what?  There are four books, so by PBS standards it should be worth 4 credits.  I think it has to be a mistake,.  One credit for four books isn't fair to me. "

 

I would report you for asking for more credits. You posted an isbn worth 1 credit regardless of how many books. Someone accepted. If you think one credit is unfair then cancel. But to ask for the person to give you more credits actually breaks pbs rules and that is why I would report you.

Date Posted: 4/3/2010 10:30 PM ET
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Good grief, I really don't understand why some posts get such harsh responses, when it's not necessary.  I have read all the rules, and I wouldn't have remembered that.  I

Since it is technically against the rules to ask for more credits (which I didnt gather from what you said) I think you should just cancel and PM the person after you cancel and say "Sorry I was confused, I had to cancel the order because I want x amount  of  credits.  I'm going to post it on the bazaar in x amount of time, if you'd like the books please let me know and I'll give you first dibs."



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Date Posted: 4/5/2010 9:25 AM ET
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Good grief, I really don't understand why some posts get such harsh responses, when it's not necessary.  I have read all the rules, and I wouldn't have remembered that.

Agreed