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Subject: overusing the bumping method
Date Posted: 7/9/2009 4:22 PM ET
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It's getting tiring seeing the same posters continuing bumping their same "DEAL" over and over again.  Like over an hundred times. I once counted  them and yes it was over an hundred bumpings in the same post.



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Date Posted: 7/9/2009 4:54 PM ET
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That doesn't annoy me *as much* as seeing someone start a brand new thread and then give it the daily bump on the same day they started the thread.  That's not how I read the rules. 

Date Posted: 7/10/2009 10:22 AM ET
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I  have suggested a couple of times before that a list should be created for those looking for deals and books and that will get this Bazaar de-congested - that doesn/t mean that people shouldn't bump their list more than once a day.  I completely agree with this rule.

Date Posted: 7/10/2009 10:30 AM ET
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I also think that maybe if there's been no responses to someone's bookshelf offer or deal (for a set time... like a few days to a week, maybe?) that they should let the post go and perhaps wait to try again for a few weeks or so (or until they've posted a few new items...)   That might also help to "declutter" things.

Date Posted: 7/10/2009 11:36 AM ET
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As long as they are bumping it only once a day, they are within the rules. If they are bumping more than once a day, then post the rules in their thread and ask that they follow them. Otherwise they are well within their rights and just because it may annoy some people, doesn't make it wrong. You can tell its old by the start date, just pass the old ones by.



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Date Posted: 7/10/2009 11:42 AM ET
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What is "bumping?"

Date Posted: 7/10/2009 12:17 PM ET
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It just means that when you add a new post to someone's thread, it gets "bumped" up to the top of the first page of listings.

Date Posted: 7/10/2009 1:16 PM ET
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The trouble with pasting the rule into a reply is that it then becomes a bump!  I have sent a nicely worded PM on occasion.

Gini, I have also submitted a request for a separate forum for those looking for books, deals, credits, etc.  In fact, I just sent another note after reading your post.

Does anyone think it would be worthwhile to start a thread asking for members to send a suggestion to PBS personnel on this matter?  If so, I will start one.

ETA:  Also, I find it annoying when a member posts a reply for personal correspondance with another member.  Such as:  "Oh, I like that book too, Sally!"  or something along those lines.  Can we say... "PM"?



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Date Posted: 7/10/2009 1:58 PM ET
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I've been "guilty" of posting a personal comment.  I didn't realize it was a no-no though.  If I see someone offering a deal on something I've enjoyed, I'll post that it was a good book as a little push for the OP - I don't know anyone here, so it's not as a favor, just my opinion on a good book.

I guess I'm now bumping this complaint thread and further burying the true "book bazaar" bargain threads down.

Date Posted: 7/10/2009 2:18 PM ET
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I noticed some people Change Deals in  "bump' posts!  I also notice that when you change the Deal inside your Title IF you dont bump you dont move back to the top so folks Dont see your new deal.....  So folks be kind & check the times of the bumps BEFORE you complain about How may Bumps  the person IS doing in a 24 hour peroid.  Also  Some are Dummies like me that hold down the [[Submit Reply]] botton tooo long making it look like folks are bumping just to Stay on top!! 

Yep thanks for catching that LOL 



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Date Posted: 7/10/2009 2:30 PM ET
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Cindy: I find it annoying when a member posts a reply for personal correspondance with another member.  Such as:  "Oh, I like that book too, Sally!"  or something along those lines. 

Jennifer: I've been "guilty" of posting a personal comment.  I didn't realize it was a no-no though.  If I see someone offering a deal on something I've enjoyed, I'll post that it was a good book as a little push for the OP - I don't know anyone here, so it's not as a favor, just my opinion on a good book.

AFAIk, there is no rule against posting book opinions or personal corresponndence.  If I am correct, then what Jennifer said she did isn't a no-no at all.  I personally like those types of posts.

Date Posted: 7/10/2009 2:35 PM ET
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There is a difference between "annoying" and against the rules

Jennifer - I think a comment from ANOTHER poster shouldn't count  as bumpng- I think it's nice that someone (who has read the book)

takes the time to comments on it. -

Date Posted: 7/10/2009 2:42 PM ET
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Maybe 2 seperate forums for "asking" for deals and "offering" deals?

Date Posted: 7/10/2009 2:44 PM ET
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Question:

Does it count as "bumping" to respond to orders & let members know that you've updated the shelf? 

(I personally like those posts, so I know that I'm not looking at the same books someone's already ordered & the OP has seen the "freebie" requests...)

Just wondering...

Date Posted: 7/10/2009 3:28 PM ET
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Debbie,  popular opinion seems to be that if after a couple of orders the OP posts a thank you and an updated notice for orders, it is fine.  This is a favor to other lookers so they know what has been requested already.  However, a thank-you, then another shelf updated notice, then a post saying the books have been pulled, then another to say they are wrapped....YIKES!  And I've seen it happen. 

Jennifer, to clarify:  I see no harm in you commenting in someone's thread.  What I'm talking about is a "conversation" between OP and another member which serves no purpose to others reading the thread and could easily be accomplished by several PM's.

Date Posted: 7/10/2009 3:57 PM ET
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I also notice that when you chance the Deal inside your Title IF you dont bump you dont move back to the top so folks Dont see your new deal.....  So folks be kind & check the times of the bumps BEFORE you complain about How may Bumps  the person IS doing in a 24 hour peroid. This would still violate the rules of posting and bumping IMO - 1 post per day, 1 bump per day. If you need to change your deal, then that's a new shelf advertising. You can't start a new post per the rules, so I don't see why you get extra bumps to do it. 

Most people don't care about one extra bump here or there, its the one's that are obviously bumping their threads repeatedly that get annoying, and frankly I think they shoot themselves in the foot because ticking people off will only get shoppers to not order from that shelf.

Maybe 2 seperate forums for "asking" for deals and "offering" deals? Someone recommended this is the past and decluttering, maybe, but to me if you send those looking for a deal in one direction, and those offering in another, it seems kind of defeating.

Date Posted: 7/10/2009 4:08 PM ET
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 its the one's that are obviously bumping their threads repeatedly that get annoying, and frankly I think they shoot themselves in the foot because ticking people off will only get shoppers to not order from that shelf.

 

 

If you post half a dozen "deals" all involving the same shelf and write in ALL CAPS (SHOUTING) and bump them over and over, I am going to skip you over and over.

Date Posted: 7/10/2009 5:46 PM ET
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For those of you who keep suggesting a seperate place for posting deals... Book Bazaar IS the place for posting deals. Below was copied directly from the BB rules...

"This is the forum for "advertising" your bookshelf and offering and making deals. We created this forum so that members can "shop" all in one place, and be sure not to miss anything."

Date Posted: 7/10/2009 5:53 PM ET
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I also notice that when you chance the Deal  --   what does chance the deal mean??

Date Posted: 7/10/2009 5:55 PM ET
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I don't mind the all caps thing, I just overlook it BUT I do get sick of seeing the same posts over and over and over.................  I think that after a week of bumping (if you haven't added anything new) you should give up on the post.  The double posting really bugs me though ( I wish they would offer a way to delete a post if you find you have double posted) and the seperate posts for each deal you have going is a bummer too.  I can understand if you are posting a deal you're offering and then another post for something you're looking for but I don't even think that is following the rules either is it?

I pulled a dummy move and posted in the free book thread without reading the rules(won't ever do anything without reading the rules ) and would like to have been able to delete it so I didn't look so dumb.

Edited cuz------dah I can't even spell tonight! (or any other night for that matter) LOL



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Date Posted: 7/10/2009 6:50 PM ET
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Debbie-the people are saying they like two separate places for those offering deals and for those looking for deals. All in one place (The Bazaar) can cause the threads to slip off of the first page quickly and that causes people to bump their threads more often than they should in order to get it seen.

Joan-couldn't you just remove the content from your post in the free book thread? Don't worry, no one reads the rules before posting in there ;-P

Date Posted: 7/10/2009 7:21 PM ET
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Laura, I had no idea that all caps meant "cyber shouting"...makes total sense though.  Thanks for the heads up!  Yet another rookie move I am guilty of!  But I am learning!  :)

Date Posted: 7/10/2009 7:36 PM ET
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I think all capitals when you are sending a message means shouting but when you want your title to stand out it is not considered shouting - It is done on Ebay all the time and some places like Amazon do it with their titles too.

Date Posted: 7/10/2009 7:53 PM ET
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Joan-couldn't you just remove the content from your post in the free book thread? Don't worry, no one reads the rules before posting in there ;-P

 

Speak for yourself - I did. ;-) I mean, it's the very first post and says "PLEASE READ...." so why not?

That said, everyone goofs once in a while, Joan, so don't worry about it.

Pam

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