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Subject: Do people really not know basic PBS book requirements??
Date Posted: 12/3/2011 3:58 PM ET
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I usually don't bee-atch about RWAP books but I've seen it all now as far as not knowing basic PBS rules.

I got a WL book posted to me. The person then PMs me and said there was RED JUICE stains on the last four pages and do I still want it? I declined so she canceled. She then tried repost it and of course it came back to me. She told ME to cancel it. I said "no" and I told her she needed to stop trying to post the unpostable book and offer it in the Book Bazaar or something instead.

She PMd me back and said the book was in perfect condition aside from the juice stains and that it was a perfectly postable book. Um. Ok. I sent her to go read the insructions -- and this person has been on this site for a couple of years.

That is so basic that it really blows my mind that she thinks red juice stains on the pages are postable. Oh well ....

 



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Date Posted: 12/3/2011 4:25 PM ET
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The worst books I ever got were from long time members.  They're also the ones who refused my credits and told me to just suck it up.

Date Posted: 12/3/2011 4:37 PM ET
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That one seems a bit over the top with the common sense there.  I mean, I could see if maybe it was one tiny little drip on a page that did not even have text...then maybe I could see someone posting it.  Perhaps it was not on a page with text and so she thought it would be fine?  Not that I mean that was the right conclusion for this person to draw, but I can understand it at least

Date Posted: 12/3/2011 4:54 PM ET
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I can't tell you how many long-time members have balked about returning a credit on an ARC..and new members too.  Or ones that think it is alright to send an unpostable book if it is a wish list book...

There are a huge number of members who never bothered to find out what the posting guidelines are or who forgot...I think they tend to be the ones that have tiny bookshelves and mail out books infrequently -- not that that is any excuse!

If someone is reposting an unpostable book I would have absolutely no hesitation in bringing them to the attention of TPTB.

Date Posted: 12/3/2011 6:24 PM ET
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So I guess by this person's standards I should have just sent out the WL book I had offered in a game.  I only got 1 drop of coffee in the margin of an interior page.  Not even enough to cause a wrinkle in the paper, just a round, slightly brown stain....  Instead, I was foolish enough to actually order another copy of the book from Amazon and had it sent directly to the other player.....  SIGH......

I wonder sometimes how many RWAP's this kind of person gives out on books they receive?

Date Posted: 12/3/2011 6:40 PM ET
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Cindy - this is reason #357 why I love you. ;)
Date Posted: 12/3/2011 7:47 PM ET
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And I heart you both!

I've been waiting on a wishlisted book, especially since I received one of those reminders from PBS about have I received the book yet...but 'tis the season for slow mail, so I didn't worry yet. 

The book arrived and I gleefully unwrap it, after noticing the counter postage is dated the 28th and the book was marked mailed on the 22nd...but hey, it arrived so it's all good.  An excellent wrapping job including cardboard on the top and bottom to protect the cover enroute and plastic underwrap.  I really appreciate the effort, but quickly becomes clear the book isn't postable for a number of reasons.  There's two patches of liquid damage, neither is large but one near the front and another on the upper rear corner 1/3 of the book.  The lower corner of the book appears to have been smooshed on an ink pad, and there's a spot that looks like a yellow highlighter was held on the edge of the book untill it soaked 1/3 inch into the paper.  The first 40 pages are extensively underlined with notes in the margins and the spine is cracked.  All the nice wrapping in the world won't make this book postable  surprise

It's a classic I'm donating to the high school (school backpacks can be scary), so I don't need a perfect copy.  But I do require a firm binding and clean text pages...yesh. 



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Date Posted: 12/3/2011 7:52 PM ET
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And I love all three of you!

Date Posted: 12/4/2011 12:48 AM ET
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It amazes me the people that join this site and apparently never bother to actually read the rules.  Or even worse, the ones that do read them and just decide to ignore them or decide that they don't apply to them.

Date Posted: 12/4/2011 7:29 AM ET
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I think in this case, I'd definitely contact the Team and give them the heads up about this person. From what you say, she's probably been posting unpostable books for who knows how long and she needs a talking to.

Date Posted: 12/4/2011 10:34 AM ET
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And I heart all of ya'll!

Cyn - I've always loved this blinkie you have  29409558.gif  Glad to see you back in action.

Subject: unpostable books
Date Posted: 12/4/2011 3:58 PM ET
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I have decided that my policy is to refuse persons that have conditions to be met. I have never listed a NEW book - everything I get is used and usually traded thru PBS. I enjoy reading and I get very excited about finding a 1972 novel that even has a cover on. It is the reading I'm interested in not the condition of a 39 year old book. Of course it's yellow and may have watermarks. If it is not listed it becomes unavailable and I would have to search for it. Some people have such rigid conditons I wonder if they are selling the books that they request. Thanks I'll jump off my soapbox now.

Subject: unpostable books
Date Posted: 12/4/2011 3:58 PM ET
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I have decided that my policy is to refuse persons that have conditions to be met. I have never listed a NEW book - everything I get is used and usually traded thru PBS. I enjoy reading and I get very excited about finding a 1972 novel that even has a cover on. It is the reading I'm interested in not the condition of a 39 year old book. Of course it's yellow and may have watermarks. If it is not listed it becomes unavailable and I would have to search for it. Some people have such rigid conditons I wonder if they are selling the books that they request. Thanks I'll jump off my soapbox now.

Subject: unpostable books
Date Posted: 12/4/2011 3:59 PM ET
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I have decided that my policy is to refuse persons that have conditions to be met. I have never listed a NEW book - everything I get is used and usually traded thru PBS. I enjoy reading and I get very excited about finding a 1972 novel that even has a cover on. It is the reading I'm interested in not the condition of a 39 year old book. Of course it's yellow and may have watermarks. If it is not listed it becomes unavailable and I would have to search for it. Some people have such rigid conditons I wonder if they are selling the books that they request. Thanks I'll jump off my soapbox now.

Date Posted: 12/4/2011 6:00 PM ET
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Linda - this is nothing to do with conditions. It's with following basic PBS rules. Many of the WL books I get I either use in games or repost. Why would I want a book that I can't use on PBS? In this case it was a food damaged 2011 issue not 30 year old book. Anyhow, i certainly hope you don't repost something that isn't deemed postable.
Date Posted: 12/4/2011 10:36 PM ET
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I've both sent and received vintage OOP books at PBS (there are occassional threads on the subject), and have found that many members are a bit more flexible when it comes to those types of books...we're just happy to receive a good copy with all the pages and covers.  That said tho, the swappability guidelines are firm rules not general suggestions. 

Minor conditions that may earn you a bit of grace in a 30 or 40 year old OOP treasure, will probably receive a RWAP in a newer release still in print.



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Date Posted: 12/5/2011 4:19 PM ET
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When I did a fantasy challenge last year, I had to get a book published the year I was born which is 1977. The book I got was alittle yellowed on the edges but other then that it was in near perfect condition. So yes those books are out there and can follow the posting guidelines OR they can be put on the book bazaar!
 

Date Posted: 12/5/2011 8:18 PM ET
Member Since: 12/4/2011
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I'm new here (as of yesterday) and did not know there were swapability guidelines. Thankfully the three books I've sent out so far were in like-new condition so no worry. Thank you Denise for posting the link to the guidelines. I couldn't find it anywhere on the site. I'll get the hang of it in time!

Date Posted: 12/5/2011 10:28 PM ET
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Welcome Linda, I am relatively new myself (just about a month).  You'll find that the help docs are invaluable!  I go there every time I have a question, and in the unlikely event I don't find the answer there I will post here and these lovely people will answer it for me.