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If the answer is No. What do you do if you see something like that on someones shelf? Last Edited on: 3/13/10 7:07 PM ET - Total times edited: 1 |
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The Help Center "Browse Help Docs" is a great location to find what can and can't be posted. PBS is for the exchange of used books across all topics of interest. paperback, hardcover and audio books in good condition are acceptable here.Guidelines below Allowed:
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*ARCs may be swapped "unofficially" in the Book Bazaar Discussion Forums. They may not be Posted to a PBS Bookshelf. **A leaflet/pamphlet is an item with fewer than 20 pages; a booklet is an item with between 20 and 50 pages that is not a children's book. Children's books often have less than 50 pages and are not considered booklets just because of their short pagelength. Please note: if you Post an inappropriate item for swapping, it may be removed from the database as an automatic action without notice; if it has been requested from you before that happens, you will not get credit for sending it. Last Edited on: 3/13/10 7:20 PM ET - Total times edited: 1 |
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There is a thread at the top of this discussion board that states Report Suspicious Items Here |
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You can either tag these items as not postable or you can add a link (not to the shelf, but to the item page) to the thread titled "Report Suspicious Items Here" topic (in red) at the top of this forum. |
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Not postable, report them. |
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Yes, You can. Not magazines but there are puzzle softcover books that have ISBN numbers. Not the magazines. One of the best books I ever got here was a Cryptic crossword book. They are very hard to find and usually cost 9 or 10 dollars. I was very happy to use one of my credits. It was brand new and gave me several months of pleasure. In fact you will see Volumes 2 and 3 on my wish list. Again, I am not talking about magazines but large size paperbacks full of puzzles. I don't see any rules violation. |
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so your saying puzzle books, activity books, word search, sudoki, type that have ISBN#'s are postable? |
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No, they are not postable...many things have an ISBN but, that does not make them postable. |
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No, ISBN is not an indicator of postability. Coloring books, address books, photo albums, and blank books/journals are not considered media for purposes of Media Mail and do not meet PBS postablility guidelines. Puzzles bound together into book form fall into the same USPS catagory...not media, and therefore not PBS postable. ETA - Although these items do occassionally move through the PBS system (the database can't weed them all out), they violate membership agreement rules. Last Edited on: 3/14/10 1:59 PM ET - Total times edited: 1 |
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I still disagree. The puzzle books we are talking about ARE paperback books. At least the ones I am talking about. They are bound. They have the hard paper or cardboard cover found on ALL paperback books. They have NO advertising, unlike puzzle magazines. They are the same as any other paperbacks. We are only quibbling about the unusual content. But you surely would not reject an Art book because " all it has is pictures. There are no words like in a real book." You would surely not reject a mathematical Book of Tables because "there is no text". I recently sent out a book of Rairoading, It was all pictures and almost no text. Are you saying I should not have. To repeat these ARE paperback books in every respect. I am NOT talking about the magazines found in the grocery stores which are obviously not allowed if for no other reason than they always contain a bunch of ads. |
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I did not say they were bound like hardbacks. I said they have the same cover as all other paperbacks. PBS does not limit posted books to follow the rules for " media mail". We have sent quite a few books as first class. By the rules listed above , I would say that Cookbooks are not allowed. Or books like " Doonesbury" or " Calvin and Hobbes". Or Atlasses. Or price guides to old bottles and Teddy Brars. But puzzle books fit just nicely under "reading matter with incidental blank spaces for notations." And if you use PBS book browser on the front page you will find , not only cookbooks and Atlasses, but ,under Entertainment, puzzle books right down to crosswords and Soduku. In fact, while checking this out I just ordered " Hooked on Cryptics", a crossword puzzle BOOK.Last Edited on: 3/14/10 8:35 PM ET - Total times edited: 1 |
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I have completely changed my stance on puzzle books after finding them in the Market. I can see a big can of RWAPs being opened that they will get to deal with by allowing books meant to be written in be posted into the system without making clarification that they should follow the textbook/workbook rules and them finding a distinct line between coloring and puzzle books. I also see big issues in the mailing of them, especially if they go through the wonderful state of Wisconsin who inspects everything Media Mail. Fun times coming in LH with this.
BTW Thomas - just because its posted here doesn't mean its postable here. Members often ignore the rules and do whatever they want to. If something has an ISBN it can be posted into the database. Doesn't mean its should be. Last Edited on: 3/14/10 8:50 PM ET - Total times edited: 3 |
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I have completely changed my stance on puzzle books after finding them in the Market I've noticed the market also sells coloring books. I wonder if those are still shipped media mail? Last Edited on: 3/14/10 9:32 PM ET - Total times edited: 1 |
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sent in to TPTB to get a definitive answer |
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Maybe a category for these puzzle books that don't meet Media Mail rules could be listed in a place alone and always sent First Class. I don't know if this is possible since it would be difficult to enforce. But if only books that PBS will allow are those that meet the media definition by USPS, then I doubt anything can be done. Maybe they can't be posted in FIFO, but maybe in a signature line or profile?? Ruth |
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Interesting topic. I'm curious as to what pbs says about these. I've considered listing a thick puzzle book I received from harlequin as a Christmas gift for being on their research panel but hadn't listed it yet, not because I thought it unpostable, but because I considered giving it to my nephew who enjoys math. The link is: http://www.paperbackswap.com/book/details/9780373892068-The+Total+Brain+Workout If these are unpostable, what about the I Spy books? I'd consider them along the lines of puzzle books as well. And they do come in both paperback and hardcover. |
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In the interest of clarification Thomas, why don't you take a puzzle book to your post office and ask? Then you could post their answer. I don't remember all the details, but at various time the local clerks have given me examples of items that are not Media Mail. Recorded CD & DVDs are yes, blanks of the same are not. There's more, but it's late and my brain is fuzzy. |
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Still not sure can I or can't I post activity books, books with stickers? |
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In the interest of clarification Thomas, why don't you take a puzzle book to your post office and ask? Then you could post their answer.
wow. Based on some of the stories in the forums I've read about postal clerks who clearly don't know even the most basic rules about their job, I'd say that was maybe not the best route to go.... |
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That would be somewhat irrelevent as "media mail" is not a criteria for PBS. That is you can post and request items that do not meet the requirement of " Media Mail." Anyway, I think that most postal clerks would give an okay to almost any book that you'd shpw them, including puzzle books, cookbooks and high school yearbooks, some of which contain advertising. |
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That would be somewhat irrelevent as "media mail" is not a criteria for PBS. That is you can post and request items that do not meet the requirement of " Media Mail." I beg to differe on that point, Thomas. I can't think of anything allowable that isn't able to be shipped via Media Mail. If you look at the ins and outs of what can and can't be posted (in the Help Doc titled What can be swapped here) not being able to use Media Mail is mentioned repeatedly as the reason why certain items aren't allowed. |
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That would be somewhat irrelevent as "media mail" is not a criteria for PBS. That is you can post and request items that do not meet the requirement of " Media Mail." What you CAN do and what you are SUPPOSED TO do are not the same thing. If it has an ISBN, PBS cannot stop it from being posted even though posting many things with ISBNs is against the TofU the member agrees to. PBS uses the Media Mail definition of "a book" so yes, if it doesn't meet the Media Mail definition, then it is not postable into the system here. I believe there is only one exception to the that in the Help Center having to do with non-media supplemental accompanying material.
Janice - instead of asking in the forums where all you will get is opinions (I don't believe any TGs have ever gotten a definitive answer on this) I would recommend sending in Feedback through the Contact Us link in the lower right under Company. Their opinion is the only one that really matters. If you get an answer from them, please post so that everyone will get to see what their answer is. Last Edited on: 3/15/10 11:14 AM ET - Total times edited: 1 |
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Janice, the forums are going to contain numerous opinions and as you can see no one can agree. If you want a definitive answer then you need to contact TPTB (contact us button) and they will tell you straight up what is and is not OK. |
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True (other) Denise. My local USPS clerks are very knowledgable and I sometimes forget the sheer number of complaints posted here regarding inadequately trained staff *sigh* Sticker books, I'm thinking no (for same reasons as color books). But if anyone has a definative answer I'd be interested to hear it. |
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