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Subject: Is this postable?
Date Posted: 10/13/2013 10:09 AM ET
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I got a WL and I don't think I will be able to repost it. In middle of book there are 2 pages with the lower corner missing. Totally readable though the "cut" is really close to the print.  What say you?

Date Posted: 10/13/2013 11:54 AM ET
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If it doesn't mess with the text, I'd say it was postable. I wouldn't mark it RWAP.

Date Posted: 10/13/2013 1:21 PM ET
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If it's a publishing error, it's postable. If it is ripped or torn, then technically it's not postable as the rules say "no ripped or torn pages". If you think it could be a publishing problem (sometimes things get cut weirdly or wrong) then proceed with believing its postable.
Date Posted: 10/13/2013 3:36 PM ET
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I don't believe it's postable and wouldn't post it myself.  It's easy enough to find someone who wants to pay a credit for it in the Book Bazaar without fear of RWAP.

Date Posted: 10/13/2013 7:33 PM ET
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Not postable, period, due to the aforementioned "no ripped or torn pages" rule.

Date Posted: 10/13/2013 10:36 PM ET
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Yes, but if the pages are cut wrong due to a publishing error, the book is postable, as long as no text is cut off.
Date Posted: 10/14/2013 7:35 PM ET
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I hear what you are saying, Sara, but there's no exception in the Help Center to permit physical printing errors.

Date Posted: 10/15/2013 7:03 AM ET
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No plan to mark it RWAP, but will offer in the Bazaar. Thanks!

Date Posted: 10/15/2013 10:59 AM ET
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I hear what you are saying, Sara, but there's no exception in the Help Center to permit physical printing errors.

Yup. But there is also no rule that disallows them as long as the book is otherwise readable.

The rule is specifically against rips and tears, which is likely to be damage that occurs after printing. Not oddly shaped, weirdly cut, or differently sized pages that come that way from the printer.

 

Date Posted: 10/15/2013 4:35 PM ET
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I have bought a bunch of books from discount vendors where a few pages have the upper outer corner with "extra" paper, almost makes it look like an arrow shape. Then these "extra" pieces are folded over so you don't see them til you open the book and flip through every page (not something I generally do in a store when I'm buying a book)  This is obviously a cutting error made when the books were being printed, but I was not sure the "opposite" kind of problem where it looks like a triangle shape is cut off the bottom corner of a few pages in center of a used book was due to a similar type of error.

Date Posted: 10/15/2013 7:44 PM ET
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To me, when a book falls into a gray area (meaning whatever issue it has is not covered in the rules), this is how I decide:

1. Does the issue make the book gross in some way? 2. Does the issue make the book unreadable? and 3. Does the issue make the book falling apart or in generally bad condition? 4. Would I be mad if I ordered this as a used book online and received it this way?

And, if none of those things are true, then I post the book.

Date Posted: 10/16/2013 10:27 AM ET
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Sara, those are good guidelines. thanks for sharing.

Date Posted: 10/16/2013 9:33 PM ET
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What Sara said...to date I've not seen anything from PBS admin that disallows printing/manufacturer errors, so long as they do not directly make the book unpostable.  Any time a member has asked and then posted the answer in the forums, TPTB seem to err on the side of postable so long as all pages are present and the text is complete and readable.

Date Posted: 10/17/2013 10:14 AM ET
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I think calling the corner being cut off of a few pages in the middle of a used book a printing or manufacturing error is pushing it.

Date Posted: 10/17/2013 11:03 AM ET
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I've seen plenty of printing issues that only affect a couple of pages in a book. Its much more common than an error that impacts the entire book. For example, when pages are folded over and then cut, so that when you unfold the corner and the page is all big and jaggedy .... That's usually only a single page, maybe 2. Printing issues that affect entire books would be more easily caught and the book copies would never be sold in the first place. Quality control would prevent that.
Date Posted: 10/17/2013 2:00 PM ET
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I've also seen it go both ways.  Printing/manufacture errors on all or most pages, one memorable was ink smears on over half the pages kinda like something had rubbed down the page while the ink was still wet (page after page after page).  It was a mail-order item, which might answer how a book this damaged actually got to a consumer.  Luckily I was able to exchange it for an undamaged copy.

Or the flip side of just one or two pages that have printing or cutting errors (like small excess dog ears or larger extra flaps).  Sometimes the page defects affect the majority or entire book.  But I remember a book that had just one or two uncut pages, I had to get the scissors and cut the pages open to read what was on the inside portion.

Quality Control issues seem to have increased dramatically with the increase in smaller publishers and On Demand (Amazon) requirements crying  I recall a small imprint that had an issue a couple years ago whereby the spine glue only seemed to last one or two readings then the book started to fall apart.  Already more expensive to purchase, they very quickly became unpostable.



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Date Posted: 10/17/2013 10:26 PM ET
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right, Denise, the new glue issue has been discussed several times in the forums in the past couple years. And I ,too, have gotten a bunch of books at discount vendors where some of the pages had to be cut apart to open them.