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Subject: Is this a RWAP?
Date Posted: 5/14/2010 10:50 AM ET
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I've just received a book and it got me stumped if I could repost it later  or should it be marked RWAP. It's a bit hard to explain but basically there is a small rip at the top of the page and also there are 3 holes along the binding.

I guess they could be called pinholes except that they are a bit larger- about 1/4"x1/4" and through them I can see the fabric or whatever material's been used to bind the book.

So what do you think - postable or not?

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Date Posted: 5/14/2010 11:06 AM ET
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Wow. I really have no idea. I can picture what you're describing, but I just don't know.

Date Posted: 5/14/2010 11:48 AM ET
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Hmm...me either. The small rip isn't RWAP unless it's over an inch, but I would assume if it was that big a rip, you wouldn't describe it as small.

Are the three holes like some sort of book bug ate through it? I have some old books like that (but through the pages, not the spine) that had spent a lot of time in my parent's basement, but I would never post them. I still don't know if that would make it postable or not though.

Date Posted: 5/14/2010 12:05 PM ET
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All I can think is, someone may have put it in a three ring binder. They have smaller mmpb size ones now. Maybe to help with holding onto the book or propping it up? It's so iffy I most likely wouldn't RWAP but I wouldn't re-post it either. That's just me though. I'd rather err on the side of caution. Maybe the team can help on this one.


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Last Edited on: 5/14/10 12:06 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 5/14/2010 12:16 PM ET
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paperback or hardcover? Which page has a rip in it? Does it look like someone put the holes in the book or could it have come with them from the publisher? Are the holes only in the cover or do they go thru the book pages too?

I am not sure I can picture what this looks like.

About 1 square inch can be missing  from a cover and it will remain postable. So, if that is where the damage is, then the 3 small holes and the small rip sound like they may very well be postable.

Generally, rips or holes in text pages would make a book unpostable.

Last Edited on: 5/14/10 12:18 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 5/14/2010 12:45 PM ET
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So the "3 holes" are like pinhole cracks in the spine between pages? As long as the pages are not loose because of it that would be perfectly postable.

The ripped page - you mean book page not cover? The rules are "No torn or chewed/gnawed pages " so a torn page would make it not postable, the 1 inch rule is for the cover. One small rip is pretty close to postable, is it something you could get rid of in the Bazaar for a credit? Unfortunately I think you will get a lot of resistance from a sender to return a credit for one very small rip, even though it does technically render the book unpostable. I usually just let them know and retire the book since it could be missed pretty easily.

Date Posted: 5/16/2010 3:00 AM ET
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Melanie's right about the pinholes, if you are meaning that they are between the pages where if they were to get larger the binding could become loose. I thought at one time I read about them in the Guidelines for posting, but I don't see anything there now, if there ever was anything. But, I know different persons have written in and asked about them and since the pinholes do not entirely separate the pages (or even largely) from each other or the binding, it is not considered a breach of the binding. In many cases this is actually the way the book was published and not from damage. Even tho there are three of them, each being 1/4" @ it still isn't going to consist of a majority of the contact of the pages to binding, so is still acceptable.

Melanie is also correct that the tear in the rules applies to covers not pages. Nothing in the rules allows for tears on the pages. But, as someone else said, if it's a pretty small tear, you are probably going to be hard-pressed to get your credit returned. I also don't suppose I would try to send the book out without contacting the requestor first. I'm NOT an advocate of PM'ng requestors, in fact, in most casesI think it's really wrong, but in this case, it would be the only safe way to send this book out, if it's not a WL book especially.