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Subject: Should I have sent the book?
Date Posted: 4/4/2018 11:37 PM ET
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I posted a book and the RC's were:

No water damage

No stains of ANY kind including on the EDGES

Non smoking home

No library books

Hardcovers must have dust jacket

 I declined due to a remainder mark on the bottom of the book. I figured it fell under stain..she wants an unmarred book right? 

Now I'm not sure if it would be treated like a stain but since she emphasized any and edges, i figured it was important.

Should I have sent anyway? I'd like to know in case it comes up again.

Thanks!

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Date Posted: 4/4/2018 11:57 PM ET
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I think you chose wisely. I am usually able to accept most RCs (except pets), but sometimes it's a judgement call. It's true a remainder mark is not a stain, but if the member wanted pristine edges then your book would not have been right. It's hard to say if someone would RWAP a book for having a remainder mark since so many books have them, and they didn't specificially exclude them, but why take the chance when it's an RC. Your book will likely be requested again soon enough & the other member will have a chance to get the book from someone else sooner or later.

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Date Posted: 4/5/2018 2:59 AM ET
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I think you did right as well - your book should be next in line and I'm sure your RC'er will eventually get a copy that they will be happy with...

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Date Posted: 4/5/2018 9:25 AM ET
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I  would have sent a PM to clarify the 'edges' condition she wanted, but that's just me.

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Date Posted: 4/5/2018 10:24 AM ET
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If I PM them and they ask me to cancel the book, then what happens? Can I relist it?

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Date Posted: 4/5/2018 11:48 AM ET
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I would think a remainder mark qualifies as a stain. Staining things is what ink does.

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Date Posted: 4/5/2018 12:51 PM ET
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If you post a WL book and there is an RC you can accept and then PM. If they ask you to cancel, they go back to the WL in the same position and you will have to re-post your book. You may want to wait a day so it's not offered to the same person again; I'm not sure how that would work and it likely depends on if they're the only wisher and/or how many other wishers have RC, since those accumulate at the top. If it's a book from your shelf they've ordered and after the PM they don't want your copy, they need to cancel the order or you will lose your place in FIFO; you can decide whether your place in line is worth saving or not. I don't like to do it on most books I've listed since it seems to take forever for heavily posted books to reach the top.

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Date Posted: 4/5/2018 1:13 PM ET
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I usually try to err on the side of "what is nice".

Ink and writing is not staining. So, I would feel fine about sending, but I agree that it is questionable. 

If it was a WL book, I would probably PM and ask, as the requestor might otherwise have to wait a while for a copy.

If it's a book off my shelf with other copies available, I'd probably decline and let the request go to the next person.

I'm all about getting books that people want to them ...if I have the only copy that has been psoted, I might work a little harder, do a little extra, on getting it to someone who wants it ...

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Date Posted: 4/5/2018 1:30 PM ET
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"If you post a WL book and there is an RC you can accept and then PM. If they ask you to cancel, they go back to the WL in the same position and you will have to re-post your book. You may want to wait a day so it's not offered to the same person again; I'm not sure how that would work and it likely depends on if they're the only wisher and/or how many other wishers have RC, since those accumulate at the top.

Good to know..thanks.

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Date Posted: 4/5/2018 2:28 PM ET
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No stains of ANY kind including on the EDGES

I read it the same way. I had one person have a RC that stated that they didn't want books that had remainder marks. Did you let the requestor know that you were declining it for the remainder mark?

 

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Date Posted: 4/5/2018 2:33 PM ET
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Yes, when I declined I said it had a remainder mark and while I didnt think it bled intot he pages(it didnt look it to me) it was still a black mark on the bottom edge of the book.

 

Edited for:  I erred on the no side because I figured she was pretty exact with her wording and would have said remainder marks are ok. However, she may have thought that remainder marks are different than stains so it wouldn't be an issue. I dont know but the emphasis on any and edges made me re-think the remainder mark would be ok thing.



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Date Posted: 4/5/2018 5:59 PM ET
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 Remainder marks are allowed so I would have done the same as you.

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Date Posted: 4/5/2018 7:59 PM ET
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I wouldn't have sent it.  I'm not PMing anyone to clarify their RCs.  I'd think the person didn't want any markings on the book edges so a remainder mark wouldn't qualify to send to them.

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Date Posted: 4/5/2018 8:51 PM ET
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I can't imagine why a remainder mark would be a stain.  I don't want a stained book, but I have lots of books with remainder marks. Stains are unidentified substances on a book that do not belong there, a remainder mark is just an ink marking.  If there was ink bled into the words, that might qualify as a stain otherwise I can't imagine the receiver thinking it was a stain.  If you got a book with a remainder mark on it would you consider it stained?

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Nope not me but as I said emphasizing any and edges got me thinking that maybe a remainder mark could be considered a stain. 

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Date Posted: 4/6/2018 10:21 AM ET
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You did all you could. If a remainder mark is okay, then they need to add that to the RC.

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I wouldn't have sent it.  I'm not PMing anyone to clarify their RCs.  I'd think the person didn't want any markings on the book edges so a remainder mark wouldn't qualify to send to them.

I agree. I stopped getting worked up about RCs a long time ago. If I don't think it meets the conditions, or I'm not sure, I decline. No muss, no fuss. It's not my problem that someone wants something better than the PBS posting guidelines. If it's unclear (and at least to the OP, this was unclear), I decline, as the burden is on the requestor to have clear RCs that do not require any further explanation.

From the HC: Your conditions should be easily interpretable and should NOT require (or ask for!) further clarification in Personal Messages.   If a sender is confused, she or he may decline your request.  The sender will NOT be able to contact you before accepting the book, so the RC text should be clear.

To make this feature work properly, your Requestor Conditions should be

  • clear enough not to require any communication for clarification
  • applied ONLY to requests for books for which you have those conditions

 

If you post a WL book and there is an RC you can accept and then PM. If they ask you to cancel, they go back to the WL in the same position and you will have to re-post your book. You may want to wait a day so it's not offered to the same person again; I'm not sure how that would work and it likely depends on if they're the only wisher and/or how many other wishers have RC, since those accumulate at the top.

I once had someone request a WL book I posted. I PMd about the book's condition (in this case it was a textbook so and the PM was about highlighting, as is required). The requestor never answered me. I canceled the request. For MONTHS this persoon was the only wisher; I was NEVER able to repost the book, as it would have just kept going back to the same non-responsive member. So to say to "wait a day" may work for fast-moving, popular titles with long WL lines, but for other books, if the requestor doesn't want to lose their place in line and refuses to cancel the request, the sender is stuck. The only way to go around is for the sender to cancel the request, then re-post the book, then decline due to the person's RCs. IMHO it's so not worth the time and aggravation when I can simply click "does not meet RCs" and move on.

I don't mean to sound harsh. I accept RCs I clearly meet (i.e., non-smoking home), but I don't understand why people get all worried about denying someone with RCs. They chose to have RCs, and with that choice, they understood that a percentage of their requests would be declines based on those RCs.