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Date Posted: 3/21/2010 6:54 PM ET
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There is a book by Nora Roberts that is being wish listed.  It just says Untitled Nora Roberts,  and it has a bunch of people wanting it. I just found out that by the book description the book is title The Search. Due out in July

 

How do I notify PBS about this????  and what happens to all the people already on the list???  The Search is now listed and only has a few wishers

Date Posted: 3/21/2010 7:55 PM ET
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I was in a really good position on the Untitled Nora Roberts wishlist book back a few months ago. I contacted PBS about the book and that it is really suppose to be The Search. By then the numbers on the wishlist were up pretty good for The Search. I felt I had really missed out by not getting on the list sooner. Their response was that they were sorry about it, but that is how it came out on their data. Now, the numbers for the Hardcover edition is close to 300 while the Large Print Hardcover edition is in the 80's. When you click on the Untitled Nora Roberts book on Amazon, it doesn't show anything and never has. I just looked on fantasticfiction.com and there is a paperback edition coming out in July. It doesn't show an ISBN number yet, but I'm willing to bet that it will be the Untitled Nora Roberts book.

Date Posted: 3/21/2010 8:04 PM ET
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If you just wait a bit anything by Nora Roberts will go from WL to heavily posted fairly quickly.  I'm not knocking Nora Roberts.  Just pointing out that her books don't usually stay WL for long and many becamse super heavily posted because she's so popular. So I wouldn't worry too much about the lines taking a long time.

Date Posted: 3/21/2010 8:54 PM ET
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Both of the Untitled Nora Roberts books I see have legit ISBN numbers. Nora Robert's books are fabulous for coming out under multiple ISBNs at once. Some people just Wish List every possible ISBN to make sure they get it as soon as possible. People also often set up an ISBN as soon as they see one listed somewhere without making sure it is ever actually released under that ISBN.  Once someone is able to confirm the information on the ISBNs they can submit a data edit, but PBS won't remove a listing that has a Wish List.

Mary -that's what you'd think isn't it, but there are over 400 Wish Listed Nora Roberts books right now.  A few that I have on my TBR have been out for a while and have maintained a Wish List since I got them.



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Cathy A. (Cathy) - ,
Date Posted: 3/21/2010 10:39 PM ET
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The ISBNs I find for "The Search" are:

9780399156571 HC US July 2010 Putnam Adult -- 297 wishers
9780399156700 HC US July 2010 Putnam Adult Large Print -- 81 wishers
9781423399971 CD US July 2010 Brilliance Corporation -- 3 wishers

9780749941741 HC UK July 2010 Piatkus Books -- 137 wishers (listed here as "Untitled Nora Roberts")
9780749941796 PB UK July 2010 Piatkus Books -- 85 wishers (listed here as "Untitled Nora Roberts")
9780749941840 PB UK May  2011 Piatkus Books -- not in the DB here
9780749942083 PB UK June 2011 Piatkus Books -- not in the DB here

You really want to wish for the first book. While a few copies of the UK versions might make their way into circulation here, that first line is going to move the fastest by far.
 

Date Posted: 3/22/2010 12:47 AM ET
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This can be trixy because there are US edition releases, and UK edition releases (yes some PBS members order from europe).  Add to that the members who get excited and open a file with short ISBN...I've seen hundreds of members wishlist an anticipated new release under a short ISBN (sure disappointment b/c few if any copies will be posted to these wrong entries).  So many numbers, it can be difficult to tell which is the best or right number to wishlist.

Date Posted: 3/22/2010 10:23 AM ET
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I did a search on Amazon last week when I was cleaning up my wl. The Unknown titles were both from Piatkus Books, which is a UK publisher. I tagged the books as UK edition hoping it would help with any confusion.

Date Posted: 3/22/2010 10:34 AM ET
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Will the people on the wishlist for the Platkus Books (UK) ever get their books? I was on that list first, and like I said before by the time I figured it out, the list for the US edition already had a huge number of wishers. Very disappointing. I guess I'm saying, I wish PBS had waited until the US edition's publication was listed first. I'm going to be more careful when I sign up for a wishlist book from now on.

Date Posted: 3/22/2010 11:24 AM ET
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 It's my belief that the UK editions often are published and released before the US editions do. Which may be why the UK editions ISBN is generated first.

I feel your pain. I've had the same thing happen to me, more than once, also for a Nora Roberts book. Now I check and recheck for new additions that might be added to the WL.. I think the last book I had it happen was Savor the moment and I caught it early for the US edition so I was lucky, but the other book I remember being so disappointed cause I went from somewhere in the 20's to 84th on the WL.

Date Posted: 3/22/2010 11:42 AM ET
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I don't think PBS has much control over it because the info is downloaded from other sites and they just can't keep up with everything that gets added. Also people create listings when they come across an ISBN somewhere and then others WL it and then PBS can't change much because of all the wishers. 

Cathy A. (Cathy) - ,
Date Posted: 3/22/2010 12:19 PM ET
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Connie -

If you're near the front of the line for the UK books, you should stay on those wish lists. You never know, someone may bring a UK edition over. I've gotten a few books here that were UK editions (older books though, never a current best seller). If you're not on the list for ISBN 9780399156571, you should get on that list. 

If it gives you any comfort, I once tracked the posting rate very closely for a Janet Evanovich book and I'm guessing that the profile for a Roberts book will be very similar, so I just dug out my old spreadsheet. On the official release date, I started out at 327 on the wish list. My position in line moved towards #1 a lot the first week, less the second week, then more and more rapidly every week after that. I got offered the Evanovich book 7 weeks later and had it in my hands a week after that. I read it and reposted it 9 days later, and there was still a long wish list then. And that was back in 2007 when PBS was a lot smaller, so the lines for heavily posted books should move much faster now. I was really pleasantly surprised to have the book in only 2 months. It would have taken me a lot longer to wait on the hold list at the library.

The thing is, most PBS members aren't as obsessive about getting on the wish list before the book is released as some of us who hang out in the forums are. I've noticed that the wish lists grow significantly (like double or triple) in the first month or two after a popular book is released. Once people start seeing it in the stores or on the best seller lists, they come here and add it to their wish lists and are probably surprised to find that 500+ people beat them to it.

Date Posted: 3/22/2010 2:12 PM ET
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I order books from some of the overstock sites, and I receive Canadian editions, UK editions, and Australian editions quite frequently. (I was actually surprised, because the overstock site that I order from is US based. The funny thing is that the invoice says the country of origin for each book, so I can tell exactly where they come from.).

In some cases, i have been able to post Wish List books to ISBNs that PBS didn't even have in their database. Or, the UK ISBN, etc ... which will only have a few wishers on it.

Date Posted: 3/22/2010 2:21 PM ET
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I understand that PBS can't do anything after the data comes up. Oh, well.

"The thing is, most PBS members aren't as obsessive about getting on the wishlist before the book is released as some of us who hang out in the forums are." 

You got that right, Cathy! lol The releases are brought to our attention on the forums making it easier for us to get on the wishlists quicker. I like being in the low numbers on the wishlist books. For months until I found the forums I was always 50 and above on the lists. Some I just gave up on and bought them myself. But, I think you are right on the best sellers as the lines will move quicker. I'm just going to place my name on the US version for The Search. I had this problem with Savior the Moment as I got on the UK version and just decided to wait and buy the US version myself.. I missed the new release on the last book( Happy After) in that series. I kept looking every day but didn't the day it came on here. lol  By the time I found it, it was already up in the 80's. But, I don't mind buying that one, either.



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Date Posted: 3/22/2010 2:46 PM ET
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Connie, if your wishlist has room the leave the UK edition on, especially if you are a low number.  The Book Depository (England) is becoming more popular for online book purchasing, and more of these editions are becoming available to American readers in various ways.  It might be helpful to memorize or note the names of some English publishers tho, the names are different than American publishers.  Platkus & Penguin are English publishers, there are several more common ones.  And do watch the 'tags' many of us try to note the foreign editions.

Date Posted: 3/22/2010 3:31 PM ET
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Thanks, Denise. Yikes, I'm number 302 on the US version of The Search! lol  I will go on to the UK version of 81, also, then and be number 82! lol Whoops, I'm number 86 on the UK paperback edition! I think some members are watching this thread and getting ahead of me! lol



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Date Posted: 3/22/2010 4:38 PM ET
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If the book "Untitled" was issued an ISBN and just the title changes, it should not affect your place in the WL line. PBS is totally ISBN driven. I have had several books wishlisted very early that went on to have their titles changed later. Once PBS added the updated title information, it showed up with the new title, same ISBN, and I kept my place in line.

Cheryl

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Date Posted: 3/22/2010 6:34 PM ET
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LOL this is true. Since we know the actual title for those two "Untitled Nora Roberts" from the UK is really "The Search", we should probably submit data edits.

Date Posted: 3/22/2010 8:25 PM ET
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I like to look for upcoming new releases.  I have a few on my WL.  A couple are Untitled.  Most of my fiction is sci/fi and fantasy.  A lot of titles I like are UK/AUS authors.  So those come out usually a year ahead of the US versions.  I try to get one mmpb ISBN and another paperback ISBN of new releases on my WL.

Ruth