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Subject: Throwing in the towel on Evanovich and Feehan
Date Posted: 7/20/2009 8:28 PM ET
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Evanovich does not really write romances, I know. But I'm ready to give up on her and Feehan. I just read Burning Wild and did not think it was very well written. I have Hidden Currents waiting at the library for me but I think I will just hand it back after the reviews I've just read. I can't believe I won't be reading the end to that series of the Drake sisters. I've enjoyed most of the other ones, but the reviews I read on Amazon tell me I won't be able to stomach it. Torture, violence, etc. Not what I expect when the rest of the series has been pretty mild with that stuff. I gave up on the Dark series a couple of books ago. It just wasn't any fun anymore for me, and progress is so sloooow on solving all their problems. And the Game series seems to have every single book the same and no progress made on catching the bad guys.

And the last few Evanovich books have not charmed me. The one with Diesel was just awful, in my opinion. And Fourteen and Fifteen were funny but left me confused and annoyed somehow, and it is hard to put my finger on why these last 3 have irritated me. Plum Spooky seemed badly written. It was like a novella but with a lot more words thrown in to make it novel length. That's how it felt to me. Then Fourteen and Fifteen were just not what I expect after this series being so funny and original earlier on.

Well, at least I have a shelf full of unread books and a bunch of new authors. :P It's a bummer when I lose an old favorite. I hope I do not have to do that with Charlaine Harris, but the last couple of books have felt more like a part of a story rather than a whole story in themselves.

I wonder if I should just stay away from never-ending series? :) That seems to be my main issue. Except for the Drake sisters. Has anyone read the last one, Hidden Currents? Is it work reading? I'm afraid I'll be very frustrated if I read it, especially if the ending is not satisfying, as many reviewers on Amazon seemed to imply. I haven't read reviews for all these here yet.

Date Posted: 7/20/2009 8:32 PM ET
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I know next to nothing about these, but I totally sympathize.  I personally blame it on the entire series thing.  I've given up on several authors I used to enjoy because they've gone off around the bend - and careening down the hillside - with their blasted series books.  I feel like I'm drowning in them sometimes.  Whatever happened to the freaking trilogy?  Does nobody stop there anymore?

Date Posted: 7/20/2009 8:46 PM ET
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Date Posted: 7/20/2009 9:02 PM ET
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Kendra, that's what a lot of the Amazon reviews said. Just exactly what you say here.

Kim, it is awful when series don't end. It's very annoying. I like a series just fine, but if there is some arc over the whole thing, I want that to be solved at some point or I give up. Seven books, 3 books, 9 books, I don't care. I just want it to stop at some point so the author can move on and write ANOTHER series that I like!

One author I like does several romances that are related. Jill Shalvis. She does this very well, and each book stands alone, but you know some of the characters from previous books and history of some of the secondary characters, if you have read them all in order. I like that.

And I like Harry Potter. :) That was awesome. I wish that woman would write more books. I hate when they get famous and stop writing. It's very irritating. ;)

Date Posted: 7/20/2009 9:31 PM ET
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I love the Stephanie Plum series but I think it has run its course and she needs to end it.  Have Stephanie choose Morelli, Ranger or Diesel and find career happiness.  But she won't because people by the books by the millions and the fan outrage would be insane.

I stopped reading Feehan's Dark series because every book was basically the same.

Date Posted: 7/20/2009 9:48 PM ET
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For the first time Evanovich started writing the Plum books, I didn't buy the recent release.  They are a shadow of the former good books and have been going downhill since Hard Eight.

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Date Posted: 7/20/2009 11:19 PM ET
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Have to agree, I wouldn't mind the unending Plum books if Stephanie would just make up her mind, Joe or Ranger, at this point I don't care which one.  I don't even bother with the between the numbers books. She is now a library availability read. Thanks to Evanovich I won't read any mystery series with love triangles that don't resolve within 3 or so books.

Ahh, Feehan, my first paranormal author, she has a special place in my heart but no longer on my bookshelf. True the Carpathian books were all alike, but they were fun. Once she got going on the whole wizard/vampire working together/shadow army thingy arc, that was the beginning of the end. I know alot of people disliked Dark Celebration but it gave me a good stopping point.

Date Posted: 7/20/2009 11:57 PM ET
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The best way to solve the Ranger/Joe issue is to have a cliffhanger end the series, with her calling one up and we don't know which. Anything else, as Mary L says, would cause a riot. Her writing can be very funny, but I wonder if she is bored with the characters or something. It all feels like she is phoning it in now.

Kathleen, I never understood that shadow army thing! I was so confused. And wasn't there some group with a dragon tattoo or something? I always felt like after the first 5 or so, every book's purpose was to introduce more characters for later books and had no purpose of its own.

Date Posted: 7/21/2009 12:08 AM ET
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I gave up on the Stephanie Plum books a while ago at book 9 or 10. They were entertaining at first and had me laughing but then everything just got old, I needed her to pick Morelli or Ranger. My friend who reccomended the Stephanie Plum books to me has given up on the series too.

I don't mind series. The 2 that I consistently follow are J.D. Robb's In Death series and Suzanne Brockmann's Troubleshooters series. I haven'y gotten tired of them yet.

Date Posted: 7/21/2009 12:58 AM ET
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I stopped reading Stephanie Plum after her stupid antics in the 13th book made me want to throw the book in the garbage can.  I figured at that point that I need to step away.  I agree that Stephanie needs to pick one.  My vote is for Morelli, but I don't care enough to pitch a fit if she picks Ranger.

Feehan had me reading till book 5 I think.  It was Dark Challenge anyways.  After that I just didn't have any desire to read any more of her. I have read a couple of her Games series (is that the name of it?  Doesn't sound right...).  I've moved on.  Not interested anymore. 

Unlike Jennifer though, I am tired of the In Death series. Stopped reading several books ago.  Felt like I was reading the same book over and over and over.  I know I'm in the minority here, but it is what it is.  :-)

Date Posted: 7/21/2009 1:45 AM ET
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I haven't started with Feehan yet though I have some of hers glommed but Evanovich is on my last nerve. I started listening to these on audio..and Ranger's my man. I really thought he was the best one for her 'cause Morelli wants to settle down and is too 'by the book'..well I started listening to Plum Spooky and couldn't take any more of her or that stupid monkey, Carl. I turned it offa n dhaven't gone back to finish it htough it's possible I may one day since I already have it on my  mp3...but I'm beyond thinking Stephanie deserves either one of them or even wants either one of them...I was hoping her sister would pair off with Morelli but she got that lawyer instead..

Date Posted: 7/21/2009 2:47 AM ET
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I lasted to book 11 with the plum books. I couldn't do a whole dozen. I agree, her last good book was Hard Eight.

It's sad. She takes a whole year to basically write one book and it's exactly the same over and over. It's like she had only one good idea in her and she knew it. She doesn't know how to make Stephanie grow or change or become more complex.

Date Posted: 7/21/2009 11:16 AM ET
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Date Posted: 7/21/2009 12:10 PM ET
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I can't stand the between-the-numbers Plum books...they are terrible!  I listened to Plum Spooky and like Susanna, I could barely get through it.  I did finish, though...not sure I remember most of it, though, because I didn't pay close attention since it wasn't so good. 

It is time to end the series...can't figure out why that is so hard to do...I know they make money, but she has re-released all her old romances and they have sold like hotcakes--for about twice their original price!  She also started the Alex Barnaby series, but only wrote 2 books for it.  I'd just like to see Stephanie make a decision and do something with her life.

I don't mind when series go on for a long time (Troubleshooter is on 15, Cedar Cove is on 9, etc), but the good ones introduce new characters and new situations.  I actually started listening to Fearless Fourteen and thought I had already read it because it sounded just like one of the others just before it!

I refused to buy Finger Lickin Fifteen...it is actually on its way to me now through PBS.  Did you see the WL for it?  Over 1100 people! 

Date Posted: 7/21/2009 12:50 PM ET
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On Evanovich - I haven't read any of the Stephanie Plum series, mostly because I tried out a couple of other titles and they didn't do anything for me, and I couldn't see starting into an ongoing & lengthy series by someone who I had lukewarm responses to in the first place.  I'm sure she's a fine writer with some solid work to her credit.  I'm not a contemporary romance or chick lit fan, so her work not appealing to me doesn't really mean much.  I read her AAR interview, and she said something in there to the effect that she doesn't think she's especially gifted with writing romance.  I had the impression she saw the Plum series as something different, and wasn't necessarily working toward a resolution with the romance aspect of the series.  This came across to me as her more or less saying she was writing the never-ending series, and it puts me in mind of a TV series or something, like Cheers, where the romance thread is a big part of it, but is an aspect of the ongoing storyline that once resolved, makes the show less interesting.  Leaving the romance aspect unresolved is in the writer's best interests, for obvious reasons; she wants to keep selling books:P  I think though, that romance fans are going to get disillusioned with it more quickly, because we do expect resolutions, and we expect the hero or heroine to make a choice & undergo some obvious character development, not remain the same person from book 1 to book 12 and never form a strong emotional attachment to another character.  It's fun for a while, but we do expect them to eventually settle down:P  If you have a heroine who hasn't chosen her hero after 14 or 15 books?  Well... where's the romance in that?  Personally, I'm glad I never had any interest in that series or NR's In Death series either.  I'd have put them to the wall ages ago:P

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Date Posted: 7/21/2009 2:17 PM ET
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I like the In Death series. I listended to the first 28 of them in a row and did not tire of them. I was pretty amazed that I was still interested after listening to all of them like that.

As I read Plum Spooky, I became a little ill over all the junk food consumed. I thought that was over the top even for Stephanie. :P I can't listen to them anymore because I intensely dislike the narrator. I liked CJ Critt. I do not like this other person.


Subject: My 2 cents on Hidden Currents
Date Posted: 7/23/2009 9:33 AM ET
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I have all of, or acquiring the Dark series and Leopard series by Feehan, but just couldn't justify holding onto the Drake sisters.  Something missing.  And I'm so not liking Hidden Currents (from the beginning she made them all seem so defenseless against one creep (that's the nice word for Stavros).  Susan Krinards books are good, she usually does 2 or 3 books in a series so there's no overkill.  She has 6 books in her 19th century werewolf series.  All a good read.  I enjoyed her Fane series too.  She coming out with book 4 in September.



Date Posted: 7/23/2009 2:45 PM ET
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Hidden Currents was sorta Dark, but I expected that from Feehan.  I actually enjoy her books, I guess that the sorta person I am. :-)  I never could get into Janet Evanovich, just couldn't.   I LOVED the Dark Series by Feehan. 

Date Posted: 11/4/2009 11:42 PM ET
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I began and ended with Janet Evanovich's first Stephanie Plum book. I love the grandma, but everyone else, including Stephanie was an idiot. I hate to be so blunt, but since we're all saying what we really feel... :p


I read the first one because of the hype. But after I did, I couldn't stand to read more. The main reason is the love-triangle. I absolutely, positively hate hate hate love-triangles! Okay, let me revise that... I don't mind if there is one, but the hero/heroine clearly prefers one over another, but I can't stand it when someone is wishy-washy and can't decide.


I also tried to read some of Evanovich's other novels. I can't remember what it was called... Thanksgiving? It was O.K. That's it. Just all right. I didn't dislike it, but didn't like it either.


I'm all for series, but when an author keeps going on and on, it gets a bit much. Over the last few months I was catching up on Joan Johnston's Whitelaw series. While I enjoyed all the books, I couldn't help but calculate the ages of the offspring that would turn up in each book. I think somewhere along the line, her timeline got royally screwed. This is my biggest gripe about series. Keep the timelines straight!


... And did someone say Evanovich's latest book is Finger Licking??? What, did someone rob a Popeye's chicken or something? Damn, now I want fried chicken... Lol.

Date Posted: 11/5/2009 7:52 AM ET
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I quit the Plum series back around book 8 or 9 and they were library books by that time.  Nothing seemed to change.  Maybe she should end the series by starting a menage.

Dark Celebration was a good stopping point for me in the Dark series also. It was just getting too dark.  Don't like the torture, rape stuff.  Didn't finish the Drake sisters because of it and won't read anymore. 

The In Death books are still books I start reading as soon as they get here.  Hope they don't end anytime soon. Nora R. has said that if Eve gets pregnant then that's the end.


Date Posted: 11/5/2009 8:59 AM ET
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I would read posts about teh Plum books and people saying they were done..and I'd think 'geez what's the deal she's funny'.just couldnt' understand..then a few months ago I was listening to Plum somthing or other - spooky  maybe? and just unplugged the mp3.could NOT take any more of her and that screwed up monkey, carl, and have gone from wanting her with Ranger to not wanting either of htose m en to be stuck with an indecisive idiot like her! maybe I can listen again for the humor but geez I reached my limit.

Date Posted: 11/5/2009 9:51 AM ET
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Personally, I wasn't ready to see the end of the Drake sisters. I wish Feehan would have handled that last book better. I wanted to see how big tough Jackson was going to handle 7 little girls with magical powers. It would have been a hoot! It was dark and not fun like the others were, but I miss the series. Never read her Dark series and have no intest to. The Leopard series and have read and liked them. I know the last one got a lot of reaction, but I liked it. Not as well as the first two, but enough that I would like to see more in the series.

Never was interested in reading the Plum series.

Date Posted: 11/5/2009 3:25 PM ET
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I still read the Plum series, but I go into them with no real expectations.  I define the books by how often I laugh out loud.  Unfortunately those numbers are definately going down.  I hold no real stock in who she ends up with so maybe that not caring keeps me reading. 

I have collected all of Feehans Dark series, but have read only three or four of them.  I am not sure what keeps me collecting them.  I have a hope that some day I will read them and not be bored by the sameness.  Perhaps it is time to let go and refrain from automatically adding them to my wishlist. 

I am also getting burned out by Kenyon's series (but again I have them all - LOL).  You have to have a guide understand all the classes of the characters along with their powers.  She is really getting into her world and as a casual reader I don't have to time to invest that much into her worldbuilding.  I have too many other books to read and I am definately not going to start hanging out in her message boards/character websites.

Hamilton is another author that lost me with her series.  She just plain sucks anymore. 

Date Posted: 11/5/2009 5:38 PM ET
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This is helpful - now I know not to really try to revisit the Plum series.  I really dislike love triangles and hate it when they never, ever get resolved.  Just like in real life, a little indecision is okay, good even - a permanent state of waffle is a turn off. :(


If you don't like unresolved love triangles, definitely avoid Hannah Swensen Chocolate Chip Cookie Murders by Joanne Fluke.  They are primarily mysteries but they funny and have recipes.  (Sort of Plum associated with food) One of the draws is a love triangle that develops in the first book.  It still wasn't resolved by book 6 or so and I just gave up.   Also went low-carb and the books weren't helping. ;)

Date Posted: 11/5/2009 10:41 PM ET
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I'm in agreement with teh Stephanie Plum books. They are getting tired. It's time she put that series to bed.  I won't pay for one-I only get the audio versions if my library has them.

I do like Christine Feehan though.  I guess she's a guilty pleasure for me even though the Dark series is basically the same book over and over again.  I think I tolerate more with her because it's different characters in each book whereas with the Plum books it's the same characters doing the same thing over and over again.