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Subject: Unpostable and postable?
Date Posted: 4/13/2010 10:47 PM ET
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I decided I needed to go through my bookshelf and make sure all my books were postable after I was going to send a book out today, only to find my brother marked the chapters.  Grrr. I told the girl the state of the book and if she wanted to cancel the transaction.


I have a couple questions ...

I have a cookbook and I know they have specific guidelines for posting. It's not written in, however it does have some highlighting in the back. Is this postable? The guidelines don't mention anything about highlighting in cookbooks, just staining and writing and notifying the receipent about the conditions before mailing.


Another book I have had some yellow spots ... I think this is just the yellowing of the paper, but I wasn't sure.  Below are some pics of it.

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I have 2 books I used as textbooks, but they don't say officialy they're text books. They have some highlighting on a few pages, but I don't know if they're considered unpostable or not. Best not to post them and give them away as freebies??



Last Edited on: 4/13/10 11:13 PM ET - Total times edited: 2
Date Posted: 4/13/2010 11:05 PM ET
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Hmm... I'm not sure about those yellow spots.  It could be normal aging, but I would say probably not.  It's a gray area. 

I tend to put highlighting in the same category as writing, so I would post the cookbook like normal and follow the special procedure (ie PMing before sending it out). 

As far as the textbook books, are they textbooks or like novels you used as textbooks?  If the listing indicates the book is a textbook then I think the highlighting would be fine.  But if it's a book that wouldn't necessarily be expected to be a textbook for every copy (say a classic like A Tale of Two Cities) then they are better off as freebies.

Date Posted: 4/13/2010 11:11 PM ET
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yeah, it's hard with the yellow spots ... too hard to figure out. i don't think i want to chance someone getting and marking it rwap.


the textbooks ... well they're definitely more on the literary side. you probably won't order these books unless you were a teacher, researching or in a class. one is a media studies book and the other is readings in social problems. i guess i'll just post them and PM the requestor about the minimal highlighting.



Last Edited on: 4/13/10 11:18 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 4/14/2010 4:11 AM ET
Member Since: 12/28/2006
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PBS admin is generous in it's defination of textbooks.  IIRC, TPTB has stated that basically any book used as a textbook (and contains writing or highlighting) must be swapped according to the textbook clause (PM, explain condition, and receive permission to mail or request to cancel).  DD has used lots of 'non-text book' books as classroom texts...lots.  I've received a handful of biographies that have been used as texts.  They don't have to become freebies, just follow the textbook rules and you should be fine.

Date Posted: 4/14/2010 4:59 AM ET
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What is the definition of a textbook?

Actually, the way the system and rules are designed, it does not matter what the "objective definition" of a textbook is.  The club members decide this - as long as the rules in the Book Condition Criteria for 'Swappability' at PBS are followed.  See the explanation and examples below.

If a member considers her book a textbook she may Post it with underlining/highlighting/writing on text pages, according to the "textbook exception" in the Book Condition Criteria for 'Swappability' at PBS; BUT since the textbook exception in the Book Condition Criteria for 'Swappability' at PBS require her to contact the requestor and obtain PM consent to the book's condition, she won't be in the position of sending a "stealth textbook" to someone who doesn't expect to receive one.

Examples/further explanation:

  • Member A posts an Economics 101 textbook - something that most people would clearly consider a textbook.   
  • Following the Book Condition Criteria for 'Swappability' at PBS textbook exception rules, she sends a Personal Message to the requestor when she gets a request, describing the book's condition.
  • Chances are good that she will get PM consent from the requestor to send the book with highlighting/etc. 
  • Member B posts a novel (fiction) that she used in a class - something that most people would NOT consider a textbook.
    • Following the Book Condition Criteria for 'Swappability' at PBS textbook exception rules, she sends a Personal Message to the requestor when she gets a request, describing the book's condition.
    • Chances are good that she will NOT get PM consent from the requestor to send the book with highlighting/etc.
    • If the requestor declines the book in its condition, Member B will have to cancel the request and repost her book.  It will go to the 'back of the line' for requests.  (If it is a Wish Listed book, it will be offered to the same wisher and the sender will again have to cancel.  She will have to wait for the wishing member to get a copy of this book from someone else before Member B can post her copy again.)

So, the farther the book is from a 'textbook' in common perception, the more likely it will be difficult to get consent to its condition.  Members in Member B's situation may encounter several declines, and will eventually realize that the book is not likely to be acceptable to the club in its condition.  Member B will stop trying to offer it as a "textbook"  and will consider it instead an unpostable/damaged book.

In this way, the club defines "textbook" on a case-by-case basis, and no one who is following the rules will be able to "surprise" another person with a highlighted/written-in/underlined book.

Date Posted: 4/14/2010 10:31 AM ET
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Those spots look like ages splatter marks. I wouldn't post that into the system.

The highlighting and writing -> ANY book can be posted under the textbook/workbook rules. You cannot send it if they say no so there is no sneaking it to someone. If the requester says no, you'd have to be the one cancelling unless the requester agreed to cancel and re-request with an RC you could deny. If it were a Wish List book, you'd have to cancel and have them set up an RC before you repost or wait until they got a different copy. It usually less work to just offer in the Book Bazaar, you can still ask for a credit for it, you don't have to offer it as a freebie.

Date Posted: 4/14/2010 11:44 AM ET
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I have a couple of books that also have the yellowish stains. Not sure what they are, but I'm not going to post them, since I don't know if it's a stain of some sort. I would err or the side of caution and not post them. Why risk a RWAP.

Date Posted: 4/14/2010 12:29 PM ET
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Thanks Patty for that link. I must have missed it when I was looking for text book posting info.

i'll post my 2 text books and offer the yellow stained book as a freebie.

thanks for all your help!

Date Posted: 4/15/2010 3:08 PM ET
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You're welcome, Meldster -- I love the way the help docs are written:

"stealth textbook"

lol!!!

Date Posted: 4/16/2010 11:58 AM ET
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LOL, that's funny Patty. 

I'm glad, one of my textbooks was requested just hours after I posted it (only copy in the system). The guy was ok with the minimal highlighting and it's off to its new home today!