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Subject: Unpostable, right?
Date Posted: 5/19/2009 3:24 PM ET
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I received this in a deal.  So I'm not going to ask for a credit back.  But I will PM the sender and kindly remind them to not post books like this.  But first let me check with others to insure that I'm not overacting.  The top corners of the first 20 pages are kind-of smushed.  Here's three closeup/macro pictures:  http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww19/pvc_photos/SSL1.jpg

http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww19/pvc_photos/SSL2.jpg

http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww19/pvc_photos/SSL3.jpg

Dan (for Marilyn)

Date Posted: 5/19/2009 3:31 PM ET
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My honest opinion?  I think it's postable.  Granted the pages look a little 'beat up' but they are not water damaged, just folded and dented.  That doesn't make them unpostable.  Now the one pic that has a little hole in the page *might* be questionable, but I don't think it would disqualify this one from being posted.   And I can't tell from the pics, but especially if it's an older book, there might end up being a couple of bent corners like that.

JMHO

Date Posted: 5/19/2009 3:37 PM ET
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I would also say it's postable. It doesn't look like water damage, just some as you say smushed or bent/wrinkled pages, which doesn't in and of itself make it unpostable.

Cheryl

Date Posted: 5/19/2009 3:37 PM ET
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I am going to agree with Amanda on this one. In my opinion, it looks used but in fine condition to post. (Although, I am not sure if you had any specific RC in place about condition).

Date Posted: 5/19/2009 3:41 PM ET
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I agree - without any RC's to the contrary I think it is postable although not as nice as most would want.  First pages do seem to get beaten up easily.  If there are any stains anywhere or indication of water damage then you'd have a case.

Ruth

Date Posted: 5/19/2009 3:42 PM ET
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No I have no RCs.  Thanks so much for your input.  Now I don't have to deal with PMing the sender.

Date Posted: 5/19/2009 3:45 PM ET
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Well, I see that one of the pages is torn. The guidelines do say no torn pages. It's a very small rip, but still a tear and technically against the posting guidelines. I'm not sure what I'd do in this case, but I would not have posted a book like that, that I do know.
Date Posted: 5/19/2009 3:47 PM ET
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The tear and the hole are there and technically shouldn't be there, for sure.  However, even though there is text on that page - it is only a "blurb" page and not really integral to the book's content.  I wouldn't have a problem accepting it.

Ruth

Date Posted: 5/19/2009 4:40 PM ET
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The small tear was on a text page (pages 17-18).  However, even if this type of damage is borderline I don't want to risk posting this and being asked to return a credit.  So I decided it will go into my list of unpostables.

After deciding that I would not post this back into the system I flipped thru some pages and found a big fat stain.  No it's no longer borderline.  It's unpostable because of the stain.  Here's a picture of the stain http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww19/pvc_photos/ssl4.jpg

Date Posted: 5/19/2009 4:47 PM ET
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Would this be postable?

Front cover tore off but was taped neatly back on,  rest of book in good condition.

Date Posted: 5/19/2009 4:56 PM ET
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Cover tears over 1 inch are not postable according to the  Book Condition Guidelines

Date Posted: 5/19/2009 5:47 PM ET
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Removed... was responding to initial post.



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Date Posted: 5/19/2009 6:01 PM ET
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That stain is completely icky and makes that book unpostable, so it looks like you'll have to send that inbox after all:P  Adrienne - Not everyone agrees on the issue of repaired books, but there's nothing in the rules that says that a book is unpostable if it has been repaired, and IMO, that's "gray area" and requires a common sense judgement call on the repair and how well it's done.  If you have a separated front or back cover and it has undergone an archival quality repair with something comparable to Scotch #845 book binding tape, I personally don't see anything wrong with posting it.  There's nothing to say that books can't have binding tape on the spines, and that's all that is usually required for a durable, long lasting exterior spine repair.  If someone had just slapped plain old Scotch tape on that separation though, that's not an archival quality repair, and I'd mark it RWAP.



Last Edited on: 5/19/09 6:02 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 5/19/2009 6:22 PM ET
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Well, I'm sorry that I thought it was on a "blurb" page.  That changes things and the stain is definitely not within guidelines.  Too bad. :(

Ruth

Geri (geejay) -
Date Posted: 5/19/2009 6:32 PM ET
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I want to know what the name of the book is.  I was reading the page with the stain and loved the sentence where she says she's only 5'6" and 125 lbs.  Only 5'6"???  I wish I was 5'4".  Just today in the grocery store one of clerks reached something for me and told me I'll have to grow.  Right., at my age I don't think so.

It sounds like a fun read - so please let me know.

 

Date Posted: 5/19/2009 6:42 PM ET
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Yep, the addition of the stain would make it unpostable. Sorry, Marilyn...start composing. LOL

Cheryl

Date Posted: 5/19/2009 7:09 PM ET
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Geri;  The book is Sweeter Savage Love :: Sandra Hill

Hey if you want to wait until after Marilyn reads it (about a week or so) I could send it along as an unpostable freebee if you can find another book on my bookshelf that you would like to order.  If not no worries.  There are 10 copies available.

Dan (for Marilyn)

Date Posted: 5/19/2009 7:23 PM ET
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Cheryl R. >>Yep, the addition of the stain would make it unpostable. Sorry, Marilyn...start composing. LOL<<

I told her that I did not want my credit back and I invited her to read this thread.  Thus, I have fulfilled my PBS civic duty in helping to educate other PBS members about posting guidelines.
Dan (for Marilyn)

Date Posted: 5/19/2009 11:10 PM ET
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Dan you did well....and I agree, the stain makes it unpostable.  LOL

Adrienne, I personally would think that a book that has been 'repaired' like that would be unpostable, but only b/c I wouldn't send one out like that.  LOL  I would add it to my list of unpostables.

Date Posted: 5/19/2009 11:34 PM ET
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Pardon me while I hijack this for a post...! 

Geri - you think you're short?  In grocery stores I frequently wish I'd brought a step stool!  I'm 4'9" and probably getting shorter.  I always have to ask for help because it seems that anything I want is always on the highest shelf!  Thank goodness for the bookstore having lower shelves!

Now - back to the regular thread...

Ruth

Date Posted: 5/19/2009 11:47 PM ET
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I'm going to address the part of your post that I am not sure was addressed. You said that you got the book in a deal. Was this book one of the ones that you requested? Or was it one of the free ones? Because if it was one of the free ones, technically you can't mark it RWAP. You should only mark RWAP on the condition of the actual book you ordered.

Yeah, I know in a deal they are supposedly sending books off their shelf, and they should all  be postable if they are posted in the first place. But, PBS doesn't really have a way to address the deal situation unless the bad book is the one that you ordered. If the free ones are bad, there is really nothing to be done.

Date Posted: 5/20/2009 12:08 AM ET
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Yeah Sara;

It was a 3-for-5 deal and this was one of the free ones that I chose off her Bookshelf.  The other free one did help to fill out the Robyn Carr Virgin River series for us so we are still happy with the deal at 3-for-4.  If this was 1-for-1 FIFO I would have no qualms about marking it RWAP.

But in this case we are happy leaving it as is.  Hey, maybe if we do another deal in the future I could tell her she owes me one.

Dan (for Marilyn)

ETA: I just watched Lady Gaga perform Just Dance on Dancing with the Stars, Wow!



Last Edited on: 5/20/09 12:11 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 5/20/2009 9:06 AM ET
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Just a quick note: Yes it has a stain, but it appears to be on a single page, and could be missed on a flip-through cursory examination before posting. The denting, IMO, didn't make the book unpostable, but the stain does. But I wouldn't be too hard on the sender in this case. It looks to me like that spot could be missed if the person hadn't read the book before posting.

(In other words, this book could be an "honest mistake" posting, because on a cursory examination, it would certainly appear to meet the "good, not excessively worn" criteria.)

I hope I'm making sense.

Date Posted: 5/20/2009 9:52 AM ET
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Considering that this is a USED book site, I would totally think that was postable, and wouldn't think a thing of it if I received a book in that condition...we can't expect perfection, IMO.

Date Posted: 5/20/2009 10:30 AM ET
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No Kristina, but we should at least be able to expect books that meet the posting guidelines of the site. They are far from expecting perfection. Just because you would be happy to receive a book that falls short of the posting guidelines doesn't mean the next person you send it to will, and they would have every right to mark it received with a problem. Many of us are here BECAUSE this site has these guidelines, there are plenty other sites out there that don't.
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